clarification off truck classes

[puryear]

i am trying to scratch build a poison spyder replica to run in 2.2 scalers class but i cant seem to find the rules on that class. the only classes i can find are just 2.2 and super. the reason i ask is because i've been told that the rules have changed this year where you don't have to run ladder chassis in this class this year. if you do have to run ladder chassis then i am going to have to incorperate one into the truck somehow.

[freetimecrawler]

I don't think there is an official scaler class in the USRCCA rules. scaler classes are run by some local clubs, but aren't an official competition class for the USRCCA. And as far as I know, you'll need a scale/ladder type chassis to run in most clubs scale class. I think a tube chasssis would be ok though, you'd have to have that answered by your local club. Now if you've misstated your question?, and your talking about 2.2 competition class? You wouldn't want to run a ladder type chassis for that anyway.

[Robb]

VARCOR uses the scale4x4 rules for scaler class, which wouldn't allow tubers as scale. Tubers would be run in comp class.

http://www.j2drc.rchomepage.com/SC4x4Rules.pdf

[puryear]

thats a detailed discription of the rules. someone told me they thought the ladder chassis rules for 08 had been eliminated for the 2.2 scalers class. oh well, if those are the rules varcor's using then thats cool. i'll just have to make some mods. it did say however, that a hardbody in the 1.9 class was an automatic 5 point deduction so that should help me in that class. now, if they had some point deductions in 2.2 comp for people (like me) who cant ever seem to make it through the courses without point out then i'd be good to go. thanks guys. great link rob.

[Thorsteenster]

With some rules setup for scale tubers, I'd like to see them run in scale class. Forget the ladder frame rule and go to ramp indexing to keep it fair. Quite a few very scale tubers are popping up, like RCPs Wreckcluse.....

[rckjeep]

Originally Posted by Thorsteenster

With some rules setup for scale tubers, I'd like to see them run in scale class. Forget the ladder frame rule and go to ramp indexing to keep it fair. Quite a few very scale tubers are popping up, like RCPs Wreckcluse.....

I'd like to see tubers in their own class too, both in 1.9 & 2.2

[sloppy]

NOSTR runs scale 4x4 rules as well.

and I dont see why a tuber cant be run it says you must runs a ladder frame. so as long as the tuber is built of a ladder style frame it would be legal. a tube bed is legal.. adding tube work to the cab is legal.

the rule also says no limit on materials used to make the frame.. so tube could be used to make a ladder style frame.. there are real aftermarket frames made from tube..

also for 2.2 the height index is in place anything over a 500 on the ramp is out.. so what difference does it make if a guy makes a exact replica of poison spider it should still fit in the rules for 2.2 "2.2” Class – Modeled after modified but street legal off-road vehicles " sounds like a poison spider to me..

now if some one tried to run a comp style buggy that is clearly made for offroad use only that would not fit within the rules..

[Grizzly4x4]

Personally I think the scale4x4 rules were made by people who think scale means something like a Tamiya F250 or Hilux. A street truck. My truggy would not be legal according to the rules even though it's based on an actual 1:1 rig. With a few more details finished up I think it will be very scale.
I hope that in the future they recognize that when you build a scale version of a rock buggy or a truggy you don't always have a full body or the tires lined up with the fender openings. Tube rigs can be scale.

At the Montana Scale Nationals the rules allowed for tube rigs and wheelbases that didn't match the fender openings.
* Official Rules for SCALE Nats *

You should build for what rules will be run locally though.

[rckjeep]

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Personally I think the scale4x4 rules were made by people who think scale means something like a Tamiya F250 or Hilux. A street truck. My truggy would not be legal according to the rules even though it's based on an actual 1:1 rig. With a few more details finished up I think it will be very scale.
I hope that in the future they recognize that when you build a scale version of a rock buggy or a truggy you don't always have a full body or the tires lined up with the fender openings. Tube rigs can be scale.

At the Montana Scale Nationals the rules allowed for tube rigs and wheelbases that didn't match the fender openings.
* Official Rules for SCALE Nats *

You should build for what rules will be run locally though.

I agree completely. We need to run som escale comps in Nor-Cal

[sloppy]

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Personally I think the scale4x4 rules were made by people who think scale means something like a Tamiya F250 or Hilux. A street truck. My truggy would not be legal according to the rules even though it's based on an actual 1:1 rig. With a few more details finished up I think it will be very scale.
I hope that in the future they recognize that when you build a scale version of a rock buggy or a truggy you don't always have a full body or the tires lined up with the fender openings. Tube rigs can be scale.

At the Montana Scale Nationals the rules allowed for tube rigs and wheelbases that didn't match the fender openings.
* Official Rules for SCALE Nats *

You should build for what rules will be run locally though.

looks street legal to me.. we run stuff like that in 1.9 here... I think the rules are fine there vague.. that truck has a ladder chassis and some fender triming.. I dont see what that would be any different then a guy running a flat bed truck.. or a cheater HPI jeep

what I hate about scale rules is that certain bodys can look "stock" and fit in the rules with say WK axles under them.. but if I put WK axles under another body some one whines cause they stick out of the fenders to far... the rest of the truck could be the same but one body looks stock and one looks modded...

the upside for us here is in Ohio.. we can drive pretty much anything we want on the road so saying that something is not street legal here is tuff for people to do..

[TwistedCreations]

Originally Posted by sloppy

the upside for us here is in Ohio.. we can drive pretty much anything we want on the road so saying that something is not street legal here is tuff for people to do..

I think you need to redefine your location of where in Ohio, because I would be pulled over and thrown in jail for running that down the roads. No bumpers, no mudflaps, probably over the lift law, Tires stick out too far. and by the time the cop was done, he would probably find 100 more things wrong.

[sloppy]

well then northern ohio happy now.. the truggy bed would probably be to much up here to.. I have seen way more lift and a lot bigger tires on the road up here..

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by sloppy

looks street legal to me.. we run stuff like that in 1.9 here... I think the rules are fine there vague.. that truck has a ladder chassis and some fender triming.. I dont see what that would be any different then a guy running a flat bed truck.. or a cheater HPI jeep

what I hate about scale rules is that certain bodys can look "stock" and fit in the rules with say WK axles under them.. but if I put WK axles under another body some one whines cause they stick out of the fenders to far... the rest of the truck could be the same but one body looks stock and one looks modded...

the upside for us here is in Ohio.. we can drive pretty much anything we want on the road so saying that something is not street legal here is tuff for people to do..

The problem is this:
Must run a complete body, bumpers, fenders, doors & tailgates must be intact. I don't have bumpers, or a tailgate (but the tailgate is ok as per the rule about tube beds).
Some fender trimming is allowed but the basic shape must be retained. I have completely changed the shape of the front fender openings and in the rear I changed the placement of the opening as well as completely changed the shape of the fenders.
A tubed bed must have a functional bed area capable of carrying a full-size spare laid flat (rear fender and tailgate rules to not apply to tubed beds). My bed area will not fit a full size spare laying flat.
• Wheelbase and width is limited only by your body, but it must fit within the body’s fender wells. Original fenderwells? My wheelbase does fit within the body and I modified the fenders to make it look like they fit within the fenderwells. Is that legal? If I had the front axle as far forward as the S10 above it wouldn't meet this rule.

The rules for 1.9 even state "Modeled after typical street legal off-road vehicles"
There is a big difference between "street legal" and "street drivable". That truggy is likely street drivable but in most states is not "street legal".

Also, the rules for 2.2 state: "No truck will be allowed with a RTI score over 500"
That means a stock type street truck if you ask me. Guido scored 1000 on the ramp in Montana. Not sure what angle it was at. My 1.9 truggy will score even higher I think.
The scale 4x4 rules don't specify the angle of the RTI ramp either. Scoring a 500 on a 30 degree ramp is much different than scoring 500 on a 20 degree ramp.

If your club is using the scale4x4 rules and they allow rigs like that truggy then that's cool.
But I still argue that the rules do not actually allow them.