Gates are not worth enough?

[holycaveman]

No rant here, just an observation.


In a comp of 3 courses say.

The comp is tough, you are able to complete all three courses. Your points are 29 29 29. This gives you a total of 87 points.


The other competitor can only make 1 gate of the first two courses. The third course he gets a good run and pulls out a -5. His score is 39 39 -5.
This gives him a total of 73 points.

He gets 6 places ahead of the guy who managed to complete all three courses, by only completing one course, because of a lucky or good run?

Seems to me like installing a course completion bonus, or more points per gate completion would show the more acurate acomplishment.

Thoughts on this??

Again, this is not a rant, just an observation

Thanks

[roborg5000]

[Nick C.]

You're saying he only makes is past gate 1 right? If you don't finish a course for any reason you get 40 points on that course. If you don't start the course it's 50. The person who clears, or makes progress, the most gates in the least amount of time with the least amount of points wins. So in that case there the second drive didn't finish 2 courses and got a -5 on the third.. he would be give 40, 40, and -5 for a total of 75.

[holycaveman]

Originally Posted by roborg5000

TC won our comp the other day with one run. And thats cool, you had a great run sunday, also very cool.


Thats fine, rules are rules. Just wanted opinions from others on this.

Robborg, no offense to you at all dude, you had a great run. I wouldn't want it any different. You put more into crawling than me, you deserve a good score

You're saying he only makes is past gate 1 right? If you don't finish a course for any reason you get 40 points on that course. If you don't start the course it's 50. The person who clears, or makes progress, the most gates in the least amount of time with the least amount of points wins. So in that case there the second drive didn't finish 2 courses and got a -5 on the third.. he would be give 40, 40, and -5 for a total of 75.

Minus the gate completion points of 2.


I just feel that you should get alittle more for a course completion. If its important to complete a course? IF not then just ignore this observation.

And again!!!! ITS NO BIG DEAL Just was thinking aloud. And wondered if anyone has ever noticed this.

Although I could have timed it alittle better 8( Sorry.

[sloppy]

first and last gate dont give progress points. so the other driver should have made it threw at least 2 gates..

[roborg5000]

Originally Posted by holycaveman

Robborg, no offense to you at all dude, you had a great run. I wouldn't want it any different. You put more into crawling than me, you deserve a good score

None taken just screwin with ya. I thought the score was a little close to mine though We shall see what happens tomorrow night with timed runs Think about this though Tom. someone could be running great through1 course then have a repair in 2 courses. Not necessarily any driver fault but it happens. We seen this with Cory

[holycaveman]

Originally Posted by roborg5000

None taken just screwin with ya. I thought the score was a little close to mine though We shall see what happens tomorrow night with timed runs Think about this though Tom. someone could be running great through1 course then have a repair in 2 courses. Not necessarily any driver fault but it happens. We seen this with Cory

No not your score. I was giving the example of extreme ends of the spectrum. To make a point.

Yea, your right, repairs are part of it(as I am always told) Sure his good run could have been total skill, and he just screwed up on the other two. But on the flip side, he could have screwed up on all three, just not as much.

You know me, I have always been a survival type of guy, not detailed.

[holycaveman]

Originally Posted by sloppy

first and last gate dont give progress points. so the other driver should have made it threw at least 2 gates..

I should have explained it better, the 1st gate after the start. As in gate one.

[sloppy]

yeah I like the starting line idea. I know we have had a couple first gates that people could not even get. so a starting line would have been nice in that situation.

[holycaveman]

Originally Posted by sloppy

yeah I like the starting line idea. I know we have had a couple first gates that people could not even get. so a starting line would have been nice in that situation.

Yea, I liked the starting line alot also. I think it works alot better when the event is timed.

[JasonInAugusta]

I said two or three years ago that progress points should be worth more than -1.

[roborg5000]

Originally Posted by JasonInAugusta

I said two or three years ago that progress points should be worth more than -1.

Maybe make them worth the actual gate number The further through the course you get the lower the score -1 through -10 with a total of 55 possible points

[holycaveman]

Originally Posted by roborg5000

Maybe make them worth the actual gate number The further through the course you get the lower the score -1 through -10 with a total of 55 possible points

Now that is something I never thought of. A gate system thats progressive.

[TwistedCreations]

Originally Posted by roborg5000

Maybe make them worth the actual gate number The further through the course you get the lower the score -1 through -10 with a total of 55 possible points

Well i want you to judge tonight at cowboys and try to keep up with all of that adding and subtracting

Tom, sounds like you just need to learn to drive better and pull out negative numbers also. If you wasn't at 39 points on each of your runs, yo would have placed better

[roborg5000]

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

Well i want you to judge tonight at cowboys and try to keep up with all of that adding and subtracting

Tom, sounds like you just need to learn to drive better and pull out negative numbers also. If you wasn't at 39 points on each of your runs, yo would have placed better

Nah, Im the new course maker. That way I dont bitch at Tom for his course making
By the way I just got the spare truck ready for you

All the addition can be done on that little laptop of yours.

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by holycaveman

No rant here, just an observation.


In a comp of 3 courses say.

The comp is tough, you are able to complete all three courses. Your points are 29 29 29. This gives you a total of 87 points.


The other competitor can only make 1 gate of the first two courses. The third course he gets a good run and pulls out a -5. His score is 39 39 -5.
This gives him a total of 73 points.

He gets 6 places ahead of the guy who managed to complete all three courses, by only completing one course, because of a lucky or good run?

Seems to me like installing a course completion bonus, or more points per gate completion would show the more acurate acomplishment.

Based on Jeremy's comment each course had 10 progress gates, that means that driver A's score before progress was 39 for each of the three courses. Scoring a 39 on every course is nothing to write home to mom about, that deserves a bottom 5 finish.

Driver B pulling off a 5 (before progress) is pretty damn impressive, and he was able to perform when the pressure was on. Sounds to me like he was rewarded accordingly. We shouldn't reward mediocrity, we should reward guys who pull off good runs under pressure like driver B did.

Here's my opinion, if Driver A is proud of the fact that he just barely finished every course without pointing out, then he shouldn't be comparing himself to guys who have the ability to pull off negative scores. While just finishing a course is important, that's no reason to be considered a top 5 driver.

[redbaron]

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

Based on Jeremy's comment each course had 10 progress gates, that means that driver A's score before progress was 39 for each of the three courses. Scoring a 39 on every course is nothing to write home to mom about, that deserves a bottom 5 finish.

Driver B pulling off a 5 (before progress) is pretty damn impressive, and he was able to perform when the pressure was on. Sounds to me like he was rewarded accordingly. We shouldn't reward mediocrity, we should reward guys who pull off good runs under pressure like driver B did.

Here's my opinion, if Driver A is proud of the fact that he just barely finished every course without pointing out, then he shouldn't be comparing himself to guys who have the ability to pull off negative scores. While just finishing a course is important, that's no reason to be considered a top 5 driver.

Well said Griz!

[TwistedCreations]

Originally Posted by redbaron

Well said Griz!

I knew I liked Chris for some reason

[jetboat]

I wouldnt say gates arent worth enough but, I can say progress needs to be worth more. Nothing is worse than having someone show up at all your events and always post mid level runs (25-35) and then someone that makes it to 2 comps in the series beats them in the series because they pulled out a 5 on 1 course.

[rockbound]

Originally Posted by jetboat

I wouldnt say gates arent worth enough but, I can say progress needs to be worth more. Nothing is worse than having someone show up at all your events and always post mid level runs (25-35) and then someone that makes it to 2 comps in the series beats them in the series because they pulled out a 5 on 1 course.

yeah, i would agree that progress could be worth more.

But like already stated the person that pulls out the five, regardless of how often he shows up, is probably the better driver. just because he doesn't show up as much doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to win.

It is very difficult to pull a single digit score and even harder to pull a negative score. the people that do that deserve to win. There may be some luck involved but it is more skill than luck.

even if the progress was worth more, the person that pulled the 5 would now be in the negatives and probably still win.

the only thing progress points cleans up is all the people that don't finish the courses. so even if they are worth more points the people posting the one great run would post an even better run thus not changing anything because they finished the course.

most people have a hard enough time completing courses as they are scored now. if you increase the penalty for hitting a gate it would make it even more difficult, frustrating, and irritating to the majority of the people competing.

This would not help the sport any. increase the progress points would help those people that don't finish the courses fell better about the better scores they are receiving, but in the end the people that are good and finish the courses will still win either way.