Rant on Super Class Rules

[sloppy]

I dont get it a super axle is fine in 2.2.. but god forbid I drive that same style truck in super with 2.2's on it...
if the 2.2 is the better truck why is this class different then 2.2 getting stuck with the better axle design?


I always thought super was supposed to be the premier class for the big dogs to run in.. but in any kinda racing the big dog class does not ban the stock vehicles unless the cant keep up...

the premier class is never the largest class either the "stock class" is always the largest(entry wise)..

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by sloppy

I dont get it a super axle is fine in 2.2.. but god forbid I drive that same style truck in super with 2.2's on it...
if the 2.2 is the better truck why is this class different then 2.2 getting stuck with the better axle design?


I always thought super was supposed to be the premier class for the big dogs to run in.. but in any kinda racing the big dog class does not ban the stock vehicles unless the cant keep up...

the premier class is never the largest class either the "stock class" is always the largest(entry wise)..

this has nothing to do with axle design, but overall size.

[sloppy]

O I get it now so if it is smaller and it wins we will just ban it.. ok hope we never come up with a 1.9 class we would have to ban them from 2.2 if they win..

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by sloppy

O I get it now so if it is smaller and it wins we will just ban it.. ok hope we never come up with a 1.9 class we would have to ban them from 2.2 if they win..

That has already been covered in the past. I dont think there should be any change either, just better course layout. but change will happen.

[H3RESQ]

Wheelbase of 14.5 or more. Width of 12.5 or more...or 27inch total or more.

This is not unreasonable, after all it is called "SUPER" for a reason.

Another important note.....build "SUPER" course's,

Keep in mind that all motor sport's have to progress there rules to keep things even...look at Nascar, etc. etc. As people choose to push the rules, or sneek around them progression must happen to actually keep the sport/hobby to it's root's and competitive level.

[renoirbud]

I ran dual motors at Nats in my 2.2 TLT last year. I think restricting 2.2s to a single motor is a horrible idea.

Why do you see multimotor 2.2s as a problem??

What are MDAs? (motor driven axles?)

[TwistedXT]

i just had an awsome idea.. check this out!

when all rigs check in.. they are first tech'd for 2.2... those that pass tech for 2.2 have to compete in the 2.2 class, then any rigs that dont fall in the 2.2 rules, have to run in the super class...

so... if joe blow shows up with a 2.2 comp rig, he is tech'd for 2.2 then has to run with other 2.2's.. now if joe blow shows up with a typical supers rig.. it too is teched for 2.2, does not qualify thus has to run in the supers class.

So, you can only run in the supers class if your rig is out of spec for 2.2's

Thoughts?

[renoirbud]

That would be to easy. LOL

We need a formula to protect the poor fragle Supers. (or maybe the fragle ego's of Super drivers)

[sddill]

Originally Posted by TwistedXT

i just had an awsome idea.. check this out!

when all rigs check in.. they are first tech'd for 2.2... those that pass tech for 2.2 have to compete in the 2.2 class, then any rigs that dont fall in the 2.2 rules, have to run in the super class...

so... if joe blow shows up with a 2.2 comp rig, he is tech'd for 2.2 then has to run with other 2.2's.. now if joe blow shows up with a typical supers rig.. it too is teched for 2.2, does not qualify thus has to run in the supers class.

So, you can only run in the supers class if your rig is out of spec for 2.2's

Thoughts?

I thought that was already in the rules???

[TwistedXT]

dunno.. time to read em.. again

if it is then whats the problem?

[TwistedXT]

Originally Posted by sddill

I thought that was already in the rules???

hmm.. it kinda is:

2.3 - Class 2 – Class 2.2: If a Class 2 vehicle violates any of the following requirements it must run in Class 1.

doesnt state that if it fits class 1 it must run in class one. just needs to be re-worded.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Locked Up

Most Supers are losing to 2.2s because of the tire selection.... but if you have the MDAs in the super class it WILL keep the shafty 2.2 guys down, regardless of the course. If the larger tire guys are losing to the guys running 2.2 sized wheels it will then only be because the aftermarket hasn't made any good large tires and hopefully they will then decide to get off their arses.

Tire selection is part of the story..... gate width is another part. You can almost drive 2x 2.2's through a Super gate at the same time! Smaller trucks can have up to 2x more lines to choose from, and thats a huge advantage.

Super trucks are not nessarily better....they are just bigger! Why can't the classes just be based on size, and thats it!

Would you allow 1/8 scale nitro truggies run in a race against HPI Baja 5b'?

I also think one reason manufactures stay away from Super is the lack of specifications. They don't what size wheel, tire or body to make because there are no guidelines.

[TwistedXT]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Super trucks are not nessarily better....they are just bigger! Why can't the classes just be based on size, and thats it!

my previous post would solve that problem - #51

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by TwistedXT

...but a usrcca sponsored event should go by the book... as its printed... if it needs changed, next year, change it. you cant change the rules 1/2 way through the year. And also remember that not everyone on this board is made of money and can afford to change their stuff on a whim. Keep changing the rules around and they become nothing more then guidelines.

But according to you we should wait until next year, the original reason for this thread is what we are going to about 2.2's in Supers this year! Before those of us that are spending money this year .....go to this years Nationals .

What we do in 2009 is not my concern right now. Its what we are going to do over the next 6 weeks that I want to know about

[Etype R]

Twisted, your idea does not solve the problem... If I wanted to run a 2.2 in supers under your rules, I would simply just add rear steer to a berg and clean house in supers

Like posted, the size is the problem. A smaller rig can avoid the given obstical completly in some cases.

[renoirbud]

Hey Fish

Thank you for refocusing the thread.

What are we doing about Supers at Nats and when will we know.

Rene

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by renoirbud

What are we doing about Supers at Nats and when will we know.

Rene

My guess is... if it was typical Super that was run pre-ECC you will be fine

[Just Zach]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Tire selection is part of the story..... gate width is another part. You can almost drive 2x 2.2's through a Super gate at the same time! Smaller trucks can have up to 2x more lines to choose from, and thats a huge advantage.

Extremely well put Fishy
No matter what you do there are always obstacles that a 2.2 can do and a Super can't and that a Super can't and a 2.2 can. That's just the way its is. Width of the gates is a huge factor! So what if a 2.2 can't make it cleanly down a cliff face when they can fall through without running much of a risk of hitting a gate.

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Super trucks are not nessarily better....they are just bigger!

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Why can't the classes just be based on size, and thats it!

In my opinion the time is over of when Supers are the "premier" class. They are only a different class that is bigger. Like Fish said, the classes need to be based on size now not function. I personally like driving supers because of what they can do and what they can't do.

If we keep the rules the way they are and someone drives a 2.2 at nationals and wins then you might as well kill the class. Why can't we just have a bigger class, put a minumum restriction on it, and watch it grow. Purely because of the size of the things you need rear steering though.

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Would you allow 1/8 scale nitro truggies run in a race against HPI Baja 5b'?

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

I also think one reason manufactures stay away from Super is the lack of specifications. They don't what size wheel, tire or body to make because there are no guidelines.

I agree 100% SUPERS NEED TO BE JUST A BIGGER CLASS

[Kamikaze]

Its realy funny to see the ones that are againts the restrictions 100%, then they get that ass busted in there own club and change there mind real quick. Supers need some restrictions, the class needs to evolve if its going to stay relavent. I think we all know how hard it is to 2.2 proof a super course. Anyone who was at nationals will tell you what would have happend had someone had run a 2.2 berg in super with the courses that where there.

[TwistedXT]

i was thinkin that new Losi crawler would hand out a smack down!

i cant wait for the losi rig - a 1/18th - to be competing in the 2.2 and this same issue will come up.... again. might wanna nip that one in the butt.