What does it take to be an officially recognized club?

[Locked Up]

What does it take for someone to start a club and get it recognized (IE send people to nats)

How many comps does the club need to have, number of members, etc?

thanks

[TLTRyan]

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[JPH Racing]

We've been asking the same question for 3 or 4 months now .... They have decided not to take on any new clubs until Jason and Badger figure out a new way of splitting up the USA and how many clubs will be allowed per state.

As it sits now, I think they are not going to allow anymore clubs ... But, I guess we'll have to wait and see!

[JohnRobHolmes]

With the increasing number of clubs there will need to be a change in how it is organized. Until we get it figured out there may not be any more recognized clubs.

[Rockpiledriver]

Originally Posted by JPH Racing

We've been asking the same question for 3 or 4 months now .... They have decided not to take on any new clubs until Jason and Badger figure out a new way of splitting up the USA and how many clubs will be allowed per state.

As it sits now, I think they are not going to allow anymore clubs ... But, I guess we'll have to wait and see!

Honeslty I don't see a way. When you have people wanting to start multiple clubs per state where does it end? If you had only 30 states with 3 clubs each that would fill the Nationals right there. What about the other 20 states? Ca already has 2 clubs, more than most states. San Diego has had a club with a series in existance longer than you guys have. They are not going to be recognized. Now consider that we get usually between 20 and 30 competitors at our shop every friday night. That is more competitors per week than many clubs, yet it would be inappropriate to attempt to make a new "club " out of that group. They along with the San Diego club must compete at SoCal events if they want an invite. Same is true for you. Nor Cal events are not that far, go compete with them and grow that club.

[JPH Racing]

Originally Posted by Rockpiledriver

Honeslty I don't see a way. When you have people wanting to start multiple clubs per state where does it end? If you had only 30 states with 3 clubs each that would fill the Nationals right there. What about the other 20 states? Ca already has 2 clubs, more than most states. San Diego has had a club with a series in existance longer than you guys have. They are not going to be recognized. Now consider that we get usually between 20 and 30 competitors at our shop every friday night. That is more competitors per week than many clubs, yet it would be inappropriate to attempt to make a new "club " out of that group. They along with the San Diego club must compete at SoCal events if they want an invite. Same is true for you. Nor Cal events are not that far, go compete with them and grow that club.

Thank you for the nicely written response. Badger gave me a call today and we chatted a bit about this subject.

Just my opinion, but wouldn't it be best to make the changes needed to see a healthy growth in r/c rock crawling competitions?

Maybe new ways of running the comps, that allows for more competitors in a given amount of time? Or a clear ladder system for the participants starting at the bottom and then progressing to compete at the highest levels?

Part of this growth would be including new clubs and acknowledging older clubs and people's hard work at promoting r/c rock crawling in their areas (such as yourself).

I know everyone is busy and that running organizations takes a lot of time and effort. I think overall things have started off great and a good ground work has been laid down. The hard work of everyone involved is greatly appreciated. It would be awesome if the growth continued. I know this might sound harsh, but in the business world it's either grow and meet your customer's needs, or someone else will.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond. I sent you a work e-mail, I hope you can respond to that one as well.

[NaZ-T]

I agree that this subject needs to be addressed. I've been trying to get our club recognized for a year now. We host WAY bigger events than the currently recognized club. I do not want to take anything away for that club, but I also don't think it's fair to pic the states best drivers on 10 entries when there is another club that consistently get 50 entries. This is a tough situation to deal with and hope to see this issue resolved soon.

[twistedone]

Originally Posted by NaZ-T

I agree that this subject needs to be addressed. I've been trying to get our club recognized for a year now. We host WAY bigger events than the currently recognized club. I do not want to take anything away for that club, but I also don't think it's fair to pic the states best drivers on 10 entries when there is another club that consistently get 50 entries. This is a tough situation to deal with and hope to see this issue resolved soon.

I feel your pain. I am waiting also. very tough to make all happy in this case!!

[Badd]

We have been working on getting Mid-Tenn recognized for almost a year . Tennessee has ETRC (east TN) but all the comp they hold are 4 hours or more away . SERCRC also covers TN but this year was the first time they hosted a comp in TN . It was in East TN 4 1/2 hour drive .
One fix I have been thinking about would be . If a State has more than one club . Have it to where they would would have a top 5 shotout 2 times in the year . To get to the top 5 shotouts they would need to have ran 2 comps and be in the top 5 in thier club .Then take the 2 comp finishes plus the 2 shotout finishes top 2 go to the Nats . You would have 4 comps in and all clubs would have a chance . This would work if you have 2 ,3 or even 5 clubs . 100 invites plus the top 5 from the year before . No more buying in (the best of the best) If a club can't send someone then so be it .

10 points for 1st, 9 for 2nd , 8 for 3rd and so on down to 10th . Only the top 10 in the shotouts get points ,5 drivers go home with no points . No more win 1 big comp and get a invite .

club #1 ---after 2 comps ----------- Shotout 1 -------------- Shotout 2
Driver A ------ 19 ---------------------- 5 -------------------- 4

Driver B ------ 19 ----------------------- 1 ---------------------- 3

Driver C --------15 ----------------------- 8 ---------------------- 6

Driver D ------ 12 ---------------------- 7 ------------------------------

Driver E ------- 9 --------------------------------------------------------

club #2 after 2 comps
Driver A ----- 20 ----------------------- 6 ----------------------- 1

Driver B ---- 17 ----------------------- 2

Driver C ----- 12 ----------------------- 9 ---------------------- 8

Driver D ----- 9 -------------------------------------------------- 9

dRIVER e ------ 8 -------------------------------------------------

club # 3 after 2 comps
Driver A --- 17 ---------------------- 10 --------------------- 5

Driver B ---- 16 ---------------------- 4 --------------------- 10

Driver C ----12 --------------------------------------------------2

Driver D --- 10 ----------------------- 3 ---------------------- 7

Driver E ---- 9 ------------------------------------------------


going by this Club #3 would be sending Driver A (with 32) and Driver B (With 30) to the Nats .
Now I'm not saying this wouldbe the best just something I have been thinking about . Like with anything your not going to make everyone happy . Heck I'm just a HILL BILLY with a burning brain . Wait do I have a brain . :-P

[Nabil]

if you have two per state how are you getting 104? i understood everything else and its a good idea

[Badd]

Originally Posted by e-hills4x4

if you have two per state how are you getting 104? i understood everything else and its a good idea

LOL it is late and I drank 2 much coffee . :-P
it is fixed

[Nabil]

ok i didnt know if i was missing something

[Fishmaxx]

All this is being looked at, and taken into consideration. The 2 per state is a good idea, but several states don't really work that well with that scenario.

Texas and California will probably need to be split into 2 parts while some of the New England states need to be combined IMO.

Hopefully the Rules Committee will make this their #1 priority this that way clubs know going into the 2009 season what needs to happen instead of running around like chickens with their head cut off in JUNE

[sddill]

. Heck I'm just a HILL BILLY with a burning brain . Wait do I have a brain .

:-P[/quote]


Now thats funny right thar I don't care who ya are

[rckjeep]

I know the store owners want the hobby to grow and I do agree somewhat. It's nice having new products like tires and such. There are some issues with growth. This thread is a big part of the problems with growth. The one that gets me is how the hobby I got into is disappearing. When I started crawling we had to make or take parts from other RC's to make our rigs work. With the RTR stuff coming out now, it's becoming what all the other aspects of RC are, a Newbie's paradise. With newbs come more ignorance and more problems. When I say ignorance I mean people coming to events and littering or disturbing someone at the spot we are holding the event, not there to run RC's. Oh and all the lame questions. It's nice to have new parts but is the death of the soul of our hobby worth those new nifty parts?

[badger]

Originally Posted by rckjeep

I know the store owners want the hobby to grow and I do agree somewhat. It's nice having new products like tires and such. There are some issues with growth. This thread is a big part of the problems with growth. The one that gets me is how the hobby I got into is disappearing. When I started crawling we had to make or take parts from other RC's to make our rigs work. With the RTR stuff coming out now, it's becoming what all the other aspects of RC are, a Newbie's paradise. With newbs come more ignorance and more problems. When I say ignorance I mean people coming to events and littering or disturbing someone at the spot we are holding the event, not there to run RC's. Oh and all the lame questions. It's nice to have new parts but is the death of the soul of our hobby worth those new nifty parts?

When are you going to quit bitching and whining about this?

[JohnRobHolmes]

Death of our hobby? I just started building a rig for the 1.9 class with parts from the venerable TLT kit! Sure I bought a Losi too, but how can you possibly be bitter about having RTR crawlers available that actually work?

[Crawlerguy851]

How about a number of clubs in each state based on the population estimates?

[JaynDrea]

I really think this should be looked at. In my state, SC, I don't know of any clubs that are recognized. I have no clue. I know that we have a couple of local clubs but here, a big turnout for a comp is if you have 10 or more people. We would never have a chance against bigger clubs in CA that have 50 at a small turnout. What do we do? We might have some of the top drivers in the US and top rigs but we would not get to go to NATS or other "BIG" events just because or "club" is not offically recognized? That right there starts to limite some people from even trying there best. "Why try when I will never get the shot at NATS. I will never get to show the US that I am the best!" That is what we will start to hear around here I am affraid. I like Bad's idea. We just need to figure out a way to let EVERYONE have a shot at NATS or other big events. If not, I am sad to say that it will start to limite our growth of the sport of RC Rock Crawling. And that is something NONE of us want...

Jason

[Robbob]

What about Regions, similar to how ROAR use's.

the problem I see with 1 club per state is like mentioned. That one club gets 10 people and 2 qualify for the nationals then they dont even go or they even know they wont go if picked. The state carries 30 other crawlers who would like the shot at going but get the boot.

you hold Regional Crawls that would put you on a qualifying roster for the Nats, require the Regional Club to hold so many of them a year and take the top 2 guys from all those.

but the other side of the stick too, you start letting clubs just pop up then its gonna start breaking others down. as soon as some one gets a stick in the doopa over something they'll just start their own club and cut attendance in half.


[offtopic but have to say it] rckjeep - your ignorance of thinking newbs and RTR's are ruining this sport isnt helping. if it wasnt for the new people, newbs is a word for 12 year olds, starting in this sport with affordable kits and the help of others how fast do you think this would have died. do us a favor, stay in your basement, thanks. [/offtopic i'll take the penalty]