Qualifing for Nats...

[upnover1]

Any thoughts on running a Regional, Sectionals, then a Nationals...just a thought,

9 Regions in the US each which holds a regional comp annually to qualify for Sectionals ,The location for the Regional competition within each region is established by RCC each year on the basis of applications by potential clubs


3 sections in the US each which holds a Sectional comp to qualify for Nationals. The location for the Sectional competition within each section is established by the RCC each year on the basis of applications by potential clubs




**Eastern Section
Regional comps

New England Regional comp:
Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont

North Atlantic Regional comp:
New York,
New Jersey (except some cities)
Pennsylvania (Erie only)

South Atlantic Regional comp:
Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia,
New Jersey (only Atlantic City, Brick Town, Cherry Hill, Princeton)
Pennsylvania (except Erie)
Tennessee (only Chattanooga)

**Midwestern Section

Eastern Great Lakes Regional comp:
Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Ohio
Michigan (Lower Peninsula)
Tennessee (except Chattanooga)

Southwestern Regional comp:
Arkansas, Colorado, Louisiana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas
Kansas (including Kansas suburbs in Missouri)


Upper Great Lakes Regional comp:
Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin
Michigan (Upper Peninsula)
Missouri (except for Kansas City area and St Joseph)


**Pacific Coast Section

Central Pacific Regional comp:
Hawaii, Utah
California (Visalia and all cities North)
Nevada (except Las Vegas)


Northwest Pacific Regional comp:
Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington, Wyoming

Southwest Pacific Regional comp:
Arizona
California (all cities south of Visalia)
Nevada (Las Vegas only)

[Bermbuster]

how did you come up with splitting NJ and PA????
Im from this general area and your logic is flawed....

[upnover1]

Originally Posted by Bermbuster

how did you come up with splitting NJ and PA????
Im from this general area and your logic is flawed....

This is just a simple idea that needs much work. Really just a idea/template for discussion.

[constantmotion]

I'm for it....make it a little bit tougher to get to Nats.

[upnover1]

Originally Posted by constantmotion

I'm for it....make it a little bit tougher to get to Nats.

I think it would also allow more vendors to get involved on the road towards Nats.

Would not matter how many clubs are in each state.

No more local series points to get to Nats, I think it would end up being the best of the best at Nats.

Sure it would be alot of work to get it worked out the first year but I think It would develop over time. It would also open up the opportunity for everyone to see where they stand on a Regional, Sectional, and National level.

[Rockpiledriver]

So who puts on the regionals and sectionals. In other words, who foots the bill, finds the location, and basically does all of the leg work? These regionals and sectionals you propose will not be cheap or easy to organize. I forsee huge issues with this between whose club, is responsible, location, etc...

[upnover1]

Originally Posted by Rockpiledriver

So who puts on the regionals and sectionals. In other words, who foots the bill, finds the location, and basically does all of the leg work? These regionals and sectionals you propose will not be cheap or easy to organize. I forsee huge issues with this between whose club, is responsible, location, etc...

I would agree that it would not be easy...A club puts in a application to see if they can hold a regional/sectional event.

You already have some nice big events through out the year..maybe start there. Would vendors like to sponsor events ?

Would your club not be interested in hosting an event. Western Sectionals to be hosted by SOCARCRC...

again I only tossed this out here to see if there is a better way or another way to help the sport grow and open up larger comps to more people with out having to deny clubs of there sanctions each year.

[PROTOTYPE]

I see where your coming from but , If it ain't broken don't fix it.

[Rockpiledriver]

Originally Posted by upnover1

Would your club not be interested in hosting an event. Western Sectionals to be hosted by SOCALCRC...

I'm not saying we would not. But...That means we choose the location, we choose the amount to charge people. Entry won't be cheap. We learned that $35 per entry is not enough money. And that is if we get the ok to use land without having to pull permits. With a group this size it is not going to be likely for most states across the US. Id say closer to $75 or $80 for most regional/sectional events across the country to cover expenses for the club hosting it.

Now that is for both a regional and a sectional. So figure if one were to place high enough to be eligible for a Nats invite. The entry fees alone for the 3 events would be nearing $300. That does not include any travel, lodging, or any other associated expense.

For me alone to attend Nats last year cost over $1000 for just myself. I had 2 other family members competeing also. Our total bill for Nats was over $5000.

No way could I afford that 2 more times per year, nor do I have enough vactaion time to attend three major events that would require travel.

[TK-twister]

I agree with you. the amount of money required to work yourself up to nationals would be really expensive. Especially when all those races would be every couple of months. I thought an idea to throw out there is to go to Nats is to have your local clubs endorsement. That way it would up to your local club to feel if you are good enough to compete at that level and promoting your home town. that way there isn't some new guy who really doesn't have the experience to go show up. You would have to submit your endorcement sheet to get your spot on the roster. My $.02 worth.

quote=Rockpiledriver;1383511]I'm not saying we would not. But...That means we choose the location, we choose the amount to charge people. Entry won't be cheap. We learned that $35 per entry is not enough money. And that is if we get the ok to use land without having to pull permits. With a group this size it is not going to be likely for most states across the US. Id say closer to $75 or $80 for most regional/sectional events across the country to cover expenses for the club hosting it.

Now that is for both a regional and a sectional. So figure if one were to place high enough to be eligible for a Nats invite. The entry fees alone for the 3 events would be nearing $300. That does not include any travel, lodging, or any other associated expense.

For me alone to attend Nats last year cost over $1000 for just myself. I had 2 other family members competeing also. Our total bill for Nats was over $5000.

No way could I afford that 2 more times per year, nor do I have enough vactaion time to attend three major events that would require travel.[/quote]

[upnover1]

Originally Posted by Rockpiledriver

I'm not saying we would not. But...That means we choose the location, we choose the amount to charge people. Entry won't be cheap. We learned that $35 per entry is not enough money. And that is if we get the ok to use land without having to pull permits. With a group this size it is not going to be likely for most states across the US. Id say closer to $75 or $80 for most regional/sectional events across the country to cover expenses for the club hosting it.

Now that is for both a regional and a sectional. So figure if one were to place high enough to be eligible for a Nats invite. The entry fees alone for the 3 events would be nearing $300. That does not include any travel, lodging, or any other associated expense.

For me alone to attend Nats last year cost over $1000 for just myself. I had 2 other family members competeing also. Our total bill for Nats was over $5000.

No way could I afford that 2 more times per year, nor do I have enough vactaion time to attend three major events that would require travel.

I totally understand that your personal cost goes up... I'm curious how many comps did you attend that was not local last year ? How many guys competed in your local comps to qualify.

To bad money has to play an issue I think having a Regional and Sectionals would be pretty cool.

alright how about this, If you place in the top 20 at Nats you get a bye to Nats the next year ? Top 10 in sectionals gets a bye to Sectionals the next year...of course this would take time to evolve.

There has to be a way to make it cost effective and have say Rockpiledriver as a Sectional Champ but his little guy the National Winner...taking dad out at Nats.


now with that said how about scatch the regional idea and split up the states into 6 sections and just have sectionals ?

[Rockpiledriver]

Originally Posted by upnover1

I totally understand that your personal cost goes up... I'm curious how many comps did you attend that was not local last year ?

2 One was the WCCC which we hosted. And will be hosting again this year.

Originally Posted by upnover1

How many guys competed in your local comps to qualify.

About 70 last year. This year we expect to hit 100

Originally Posted by upnover1

To bad money has to play an issue I think having a Regional and Sectionals would be pretty cool.

alright how about this, If you place in the top 20 at Nats you get a bye to Nats the next year ? Top 10 in sectionals gets a bye to Sectionals the next year...of course this would take time to evolve.

That would be entirely up to the USRCCA and honestly I don't see that happening.

Originally Posted by upnover1

There has to be a way to make it cost effective and have say Rockpiledriver as a Sectional Champ but his little guy the National Winner...taking dad out at Nats.

That has happened.

Originally Posted by upnover1

now with that said how about scatch the regional idea and split up the states into 6 sections and just have sectionals ?

We still have the big issue of who hosts it, and where it is held.

[upnover1]

Originally Posted by Rockpiledriver

2 One was the WCCC which we hosted. And will be hosting again this year.



About 70 last year. This year we expect to hit 100



That would be entirely up to the USRCCA and honestly I don't see that happening.



That has happened.




We still have the big issue of who hosts it, and where it is held.

who and where could be done by application...USRCCA takes the purposed application and chooses the best options.

As far as the little one beating you