Super Class WB rule poll

[666]

I am going to keep on trying to get the MAX WB up on supers!! Perhaps this poll will help. The proposed 16-18" is just not enough IMO.

[jetboat]

Im all for the proposed WB. Its a large enough range to allow freedom and right about where most supers run.

[joesbruiser]

Patrick you know I do not like putting the Max WB rule into effect but I say lets see if it brings in more drivers and Manufactures.If it does not help then I think it should be done away with next year.
I voted that it should be in the 16-19.5 range but I can live with 18WB

I can actually do better with a 17.75WB but I hate that I will not be able to go bigger than that if I want.My Nationals truck was 18.5-18.75

[run2jeepn]

I'm fine with 16-18 or 16-19.5... The 14-19.5 is to wide of range.

[Fishmaxx]

I heard a couple good arugements for 16-18

1) Courses can built that are some what fair to all trucks in the field.
2) Manufactures more likley to produce products if they know the Class Specs
3) Competitors more likely to build trucks if they know the specs.
4) Its not Unlimited Class, so why not set limits and specs?



So far all I have heard for 18+ is....

1) Its Stupid!
2) Its Dumb!
3) My truck is 18+, and I don't want to change it.
4) I like longer wheel bases!

[joesbruiser]

Here is my question how did the 18 inch WB max come about?
I can see putting a max on WB but why was 18 what you guys decided on?
Why did you make rules against the top 3-5 trucks at nationals?I know there where several people that had there feelings hurt over one climb at nats. because they said only long truck could make it and that was B.S.
I had one course while I was there that gave me trouble because of how tight it was but I did not complain and want a new rule.


You guys are going to set rules the way you want and that's fine with me My current setup fits the bill but I would like to know why you chose the numbers you did.

[Fishmaxx]

Their was discussion on the topic.

Then 2x polls were posted...one for MINIMUM, and one for MAXIMUM. Several options were given, and people voted. Very similar to what is happening here

[MommaBear]

For the record, I was a dumba$$ and chose the wrong one. I meant to vote 16-19.5. I think that would really help Supers be Supers. We may just need to change the name of the class altogether. I have to agree with Patrick on this one. That said, I understand why it was done. I just hate to see it really.

If a moderator or someone could change my vote for me I would appreciate it. I've been working too late all week.

[skid plate]

I think it might be interesting to see what the poll says.

JC

[skid plate]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Their was discussion on the topic.

Then 2x polls were posted...one for MINIMUM, and one for MAXIMUM. Several options were given, and people voted. Very similar to what is happening here

Only was able to find one poll.

New super class requirement

78 votes to 69 votes minimum WB to keep 2.2's out.

Did I miss the other one?

JC

[jetboat]

Originally Posted by skid plate

Only was able to find one poll.

New super class requirement

78 votes to 69 votes minimum WB to keep 2.2's out.

Did I miss the other one?

JC

Most likely the polls were located in the rules commitee area that is not viewable by everyone.

To me it really sounds like people are wanting super and super unlimited like back in 04/05.

I wouldnt mind if they came out and said that super had 1 WB... no range. Then there wouldnt be any debate if you need a short truck or if you need a long truck. Of course that does remove some of the creativity.

[renoirbud]

I support the limit 100%, the class was much more fun and much more popular before the long trucks showed up.

Having a defined wheel base opens the door for people to build a super.

I you are not able to adapt your driving to suit a 16 to 18" rig, then you should be promoting the Unlimited class.

On a possitive note, the constant complaints are bringing attention to the class, and that is a good thing.

[joesbruiser]

Originally Posted by renoirbud

I support the limit 100%, the class was much more fun and much more popular before the long trucks showed up.

Having a defined wheel base opens the door for people to build a super.

I you are not able to adapt your driving to suit a 16 to 18" rig, then you should be promoting the Unlimited class.

On a possitive note, the constant complaints are bringing attention to the class, and that is a good thing.

First off let me make clear I am not bitching about the rule change just wanting to discuss where it came from and why.

How did the long trucks take the fun out of it?

I can and have adapted my driving style and to tell you the truth I am better at 18 than when my truck was longer.But I really liked how this class was open and you had the opportunity to go long if you wanted.

I do not see busting the class up into a limited and unlimited there is barely enough time in the day as it is.

Another thing I worry about is once you start adding rules were is it going to stop? The Next thing you know there will be a rule against running the big wheels like the thorns.

[dpdsurf]

I voted 16-19.5 because it seams like those that have been doing this for many years would prefer it this way. I do like having the range limitation as it would help guide a super noob like myself if I were to build one. I would however be just fine with the 18" max because I have no personal vested interest.

[Robb]

So, all of this is about changing from 18" to 19.5".......................REALLY????

All of the fuss in these threads has been about 1.5"?

[joesbruiser]

Originally Posted by Robb

So, all of this is about changing from 18" to 19.5".......................REALLY????

All of the fuss in these threads has been about 1.5"?

After Nationals there was more fuss than this over 1/2 of a inch

[slowrockr]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

I heard a couple good arugements for 16-18

1) Courses can built that are some what fair to all trucks in the field.
2) Manufactures more likley to produce products if they know the Class Specs
3) Competitors more likely to build trucks if they know the specs.
4) Its not Unlimited Class, so why not set limits and specs?

Lemme take a stab at this....

1) How is that not possible if the max limit is 19.5"? if I think I'm better at 19" and other guy thinks he's better off at 16 why is that a bad thing?
2) How would an extra 1.5" keep them from likely making stuff for supers specs?
3) Again if max was 19.5" competitors would know the specs and build accordingly.
4) I'm fine with limits and specs for supers, I just don't see why it's such a big deal to make the max another inch or so longer.

I'm not against the limits at all, I think it might be a good thing for the class, I'd just like to see the max higher. I've ran everywhere from 16-19" and settled at 18.5 cause it fits our terrain and my driving style. I really don't get how upping the max is such a terrible thing.

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

I do not see busting the class up into a limited and unlimited there is barely enough time in the day as it is.

There's a VERY easy way around that. IF there was a super OG and super unlimited class,they could be run on the same courses. Therefore there would be no need in setting up another set of courses. The only thing it would require is tallying up the scores and separating the 2 classes in 2 groups. Sure,one class might have higher scores depending on the course layout,but it'd be a moot point since they are separate.

[TURTLE]

I would have to agree with Slowrockr. Why is there such a firm stand against making the maximum size an inch or so longer? Especially since there are so many rigs (at least in our club) that run a 18.5 inch wheel base, surely there must be other clubs across the country that do this as well? I understand that the rules committee does alot of work and it is much appreciated, but it doesn't seem like they really reviewed this topic to its full extent.

[joesbruiser]

Originally Posted by raptorman57

There's a VERY easy way around that. IF there was a super OG and super unlimited class,they could be run on the same courses. Therefore there would be no need in setting up another set of courses. The only thing it would require is tallying up the scores and separating the 2 classes in 2 groups. Sure,one class might have higher scores depending on the course layout,but it'd be a moot point since they are separate.

True True But then what class would be run at nationals?How would that be decided?It seems to me that it would hurt more than it would help.What would happen if you have 5 club members go to the "super"class and 2 that run unlimited how would bids be decided?
I'm just trying to get a picture of where things are or could be going.
I have a ton of money tied up in all this and the more that changes the more I have to spend.