I have a question???

[skid plate]

With the change that has come to the Super Class, if there were enough interested parties, (i.e. members), from crawling organizations;

If there is a class created with a wheelbase range from,

12.5 to 16 inches, with front and rear steering, shaft driven or front and rear motor on axle, 6'' tire dia. max, and no width restriction, minimum body such as 3'' wide, 5'' long and 2'' high, tube chassis or existing or future manufactured chassis of different styles.
With clarification to above definitions and possible additions or deletions.

Be allowed to be formed and compete at Nationals in the future?

???????

JC

[666]

Nope, they have been singled out, just like 18 and longer.:-P

[skid plate]

Well I had to ask because it seems that XTM Racing has spent alot of effort in developing a (SUPER CLASS) factory manufactured crawler with a wheelbase of 15.55''.
I would like to see a factor spec. crawler like this be able to go with just the necessary additions to get it running.
Asking a company to spend so much money to retool and reinvest $$$$ to meet a class specific rule after development can be detrimental to a product line. Alot of people have already purchased this product.

Wow, also looked at the Integy Unlimited and it spec'd out at 15.75''.
This is the 2nd product I have found from manufactures in either a RTR or ARTR package that could really benefit from a new class like this.

I will start looking at the other manufacture's of SUPER CLASS crawlers and report back.

JC

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by skid plate

Be allowed to be formed and compete at Nationals in the future?

You can form any class you want, and if enough people express an interest I am sure the man in charge will notice.

The perfect example would be 1.9 class. Everyone one that saw the Losi 1.9 in action at the Proline Challenge last knew it was the next big thing. 4 months later 1.9 is a class.

Basically the samething happened when 2.2 got started a few years ago. The Rule Committee didn't create those to classes. The trucks themselves did.

[666]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

You can form any class you want, and if enough people express an interest I am sure the man in charge will notice.

The perfect example would be 1.9 class. Everyone one that saw the Losi 1.9 in action at the Proline Challenge last knew it was the next big thing. 4 months later 1.9 is a class.

Basically the samething happened when 2.2 got started a few years ago. The Rule Committee didn't create those to classes. The trucks themselves did.

Supers created themselves then, why the change. I have yet to here a company say they will make something for supers if you make a WB rule.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by 666

I have yet to here a company say they will make something for supers if you make a WB rule.

Guess your not talking to the right manufactures

Just trying to answer the man question without turning into a 4th forum on your Super Class crusade

[666]

Lets here of one manufacture that has asked for a WB restriction so they can make parts.

And well I am not going to stop beating your dead horse so get used to it.

Thorn in your side.

[skid plate]

I would really like to get to the bottom of this someday too.

Without starting another thread and beating a dead horse or starting another poll.

So the Manufacture's that already had products out, either weren't considered important enough or just plain weren't considered.

I am disappointed.

Two different companies have spent alot of time and money to create these SUPER CLASS/UNLIMITED CLASS crawlers and their current measurements don't make the cut.

Who wants to call them and say WE SCREWED UP? You will have to modify your production methods to fit in our class or ask your customers to IMMEDIETLY ALTER your purchase to fit into your intended class of operation?

Is there more manufacture's out there waiting because their products currently don't meet the class and don't want to release a product that has to go through this?

JC

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by skid plate

Two different companies have spent alot of time and money to create these SUPER CLASS/UNLIMITED CLASS crawlers and their current measurements don't make the cut.

Unlimited went out over 2 years ago, so obviously the manufacturers that are using those specs are waaaaay behind the times. Your issue seems to be the opposite of Patricks ....you want to allow shorter WB's rather than longer, and that was a whole different discussion than the one you started with.

You asked about creating a new 12.5 to 16 class, and I answered it because it was a new question. Why Rules Committee did what it did has been discussed at nauseum in other threads, so I am not going to rehash it here

[666]

Three potential super trucks by large manufactures: Integy, XTM, and Traxxas, and you have excluded them from the class because you feel 16-18" is best for the class. How is that helping the manufactures viewpoint? Or anything for that matter? A few people bitched at nationals, and thats it, thats all you have.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by 666

Three potential super trucks by large manufactures: Integy, XTM, and Traxxas, and you have excluded them from the class because you feel 16-18" is best for the class. How is that helping the manufactures viewpoint? Or anything for that matter? A few people bitched at nationals, and thats it, thats all you have.

Once again you don't know what you are talking about. I didn't do anything! I didn't started the SUPER disscussions, participate in it, or even vote. So don't try, and make me out to be the bad guy. I am just telling you the facts you don't like them fine! From now you can get you information, and bitch to the 3 guys from your club that are on Rules Committee cause I am DONE!

[666]

I don't know what I am talking about?? I am simply standing for what I believe and you keep replying, and the way you reply you seem to be some kind of rule representative. Sorry to cause a headache for you.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by 666

I don't know what I am talking about?? I am simply standing for what I believe and you keep replying, and the way you reply you seem to be some kind of rule representative. Sorry to cause a headache for you.

I am on Rule Committe, and have served as Chairman 4 out of 5 years. 2009 Rules release is waaaaay over due (not my fault BTW...its a long story), and I felt like you guys should know how to proceed with your builds. For my efforts I have caught nothing but $h!t in posts, PMs, and phone calls. As I said before...next time you can get the info form one of the 3 RC members in you club

[666]

I never PM'ed you, called you or posted what I thought was a shit post, and I post here as the rules gods look here for our input, not my fault your one of the few that reply, maybe just leave me to talk to myself? I am not the only one that feels this way.

Sorry to you for feeling attacked I hope you don't push me in the river at ECC. And thanks for all you have done for the committee all these years.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by 666

I hope you don't push me in the river at ECC.

As tempting as that might be you would just walk across!







No wait thats the other guy

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Fish, thanks for working your ass off on the rule committe, and for spending all the time you do on keeping all those guys going on the rule committe.

Fish don't even get to vote on any of it, If someone has a bitch about something they should bitch at they're RC REP. not Fish.

It's all talked about and voted on, how can it be any more fair than that. It didn't win, don't be a sore loser. I feel what we did will help a class that is trying to die on us.
I love my super , I wish I could get more people into it. But people like what they like. Not everybody likes what I like, I just can't figure out why they don't want to run what I want to run.
We have 3 supers in our club for over 2 years, the same 3 guys. Nobody will even stay and watch us run. So we tried running them 1st, they would just go work on their 2.2s and still not even watch us run.

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Originally Posted by 666

Three potential super trucks by large manufactures: Integy, XTM, and Traxxas, and you have excluded them from the class because you feel 16-18" is best for the class. How is that helping the manufactures viewpoint? Or anything for that matter? A few people bitched at nationals, and thats it, thats all you have.

It wasn't Fish who excluded anybody,it was talked and talked about. And you were heared. The vote went down and thats it for that class. I feel maybe we'll get more people into it if the wheelbase is 16 to 18. When people have asked me about supers and I tell them no limits on wheelbase, they got turned off. A class with 12.50 to over 20in wheelbase scares a newbe, he don't know where to start. If one club all run 16 to 20s and a other club run 12.5 to 16in . What happens when these to clubs meet at a event. They bitch about it not being fair and say screw the supers, they say I'm building a 2.2 where it's more even to compete.

Remember I love my super. This is just what I've seen happen a lot.

[jfraymond]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

I am on Rule Committe, and have served as Chairman 4 out of 5 years. 2009 Rules release is waaaaay over due (not my fault BTW...its a long story), and I felt like you guys should know how to proceed with your builds. For my efforts I have caught nothing but $h!t in posts, PMs, and phone calls. As I said before...next time you can get the info form one of the 3 RC members in you club

Your efforts and work is greatly appreciated. Please do not feel that it is you under attack, it is the rules changes that are the issue. Everyone should be thankful that as rules chairman you keep the lines of communication open with the membership.

I do have one question, What is the procedural method USRCRCA uses to bring a Item for consideration to the floor? is it just a simple matter of getting a rules committee member to submit, get a second, and call for a vote?

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by jfraymond

I do have one question, What is the procedural method USRCRCA uses to bring a Item for consideration to the floor? is it just a simple matter of getting a rules committee member to submit, get a second, and call for a vote?

Its not quite that formal but thats basically it. Usally there is some period of discussion before a vote is made.

[cartronicshn]

So it's official then? 16-18" ?