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Old 03-31-2009, 11:13 PM   #1
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Been seeing more and more people purposely driving backwards long distances as an advantage.

For example, reversing down long, steep, stepped terrain or angle backing down part of a slope then going angle forward up effectively turning a straight sidehill section into a descend/climb V turn.

I kind of consider this cheating or coping out. I guess the course makers need to tighten up the boundaries to reduce these tactics.
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Old 03-31-2009, 11:31 PM   #2
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Sounds like smart drivers.
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:08 AM   #3
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Sounds like smart drivers.
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Alot of drivers see a course and figure that they have to run it the way it's layed out, all in foward motion. If you've got to use a reverse might as well USE A REVERSE.

I'm not a cheater or copping out, I'm thinking. Everyone should be.

And I welcome our course designer to try to stop my backwards thinking(pun intended)...
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Been seeing more and more people purposely driving backwards long distances as an advantage.

For example, reversing down long, steep, stepped terrain or angle backing down part of a slope then going angle forward up effectively turning a straight sidehill section into a descend/climb V turn.

I kind of consider this cheating or coping out. I guess the course makers need to tighten up the boundaries to reduce these tactics.
I see nothing wrong with it. Unless you're the guy who ran right before them and didn't think of it first. lol

Tighter course boundaries should help slow it down if you like....
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Some people don't have digs, like me, so you got to make due with what you got baby.
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Old 04-01-2009, 01:48 AM   #6
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WOW, I HAVE SEEN THIS DONE AT 1.1 COMP'S WITH OUT FOUL BEING CALLED
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Alot of drivers see a course and figure that they have to run it the way it's layed out, all in foward motion. If you've got to use a reverse might as well USE A REVERSE.

I'm not a cheater or copping out, I'm thinking. Everyone should be.

And I welcome our course designer to try to stop my backwards thinking(pun intended)...
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So we are in an agreement? Quit complaining and learn to drive!
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So we are in an agreement? Quit complaining and learn to drive!
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Old 04-01-2009, 09:23 AM   #10
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Not really complaining. I guess it just seems to remove some of the cool scale realism to me driving around backwards through the course.
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Usally it takes more than 9 post to get someone to make such an about face



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Usally it takes more than 9 post to get someone to make such an about face
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Old 04-01-2009, 10:45 AM   #13
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Like driving backward instead of forward thru an obstacle is easier. If you have good course designers they can combat it. I purposely give people subtle options like that on my courses, doesn't mean they will think of them.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:32 AM   #14
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Like driving backward instead of forward thru an obstacle is easier. If you have good course designers they can combat it. I purposely give people subtle options like that on my courses, doesn't mean they will think of them.
Yeah! You have to have a college degree to run RD's courses!!......
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:48 PM   #15
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I also design in long reverses or features that are easier in reverse - it makes it that much harder to do it all forward

this is especially relevant in 1.9 courses since they don't have dig
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:11 PM   #16
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so if i back down a hill and my tires are going in a forward motion while the truck is sliding its still a reverse? with 1 rev penalty?
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:27 PM   #17
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so if i back down a hill and my tires are going in a forward motion while the truck is sliding its still a reverse? with 1 rev penalty?
No. Your tires need to rotate in reverse for a penalty.

7.1.3 - If a vehicle is climbing an obstacle and is bounced backward by the terrain but the tires are still
moving forward, no reverse penalty will occur.

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I guess the course makers need to tighten up the boundaries to reduce these tactics.
I am sure your local comp course makers would love to have additional volunteers sign on. Do you have a local club you participate with?
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Old 04-11-2009, 02:39 PM   #19
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Yep, simply smart driving. I specifically mention it when going through the rules at every drivers meeting, that you should make the most of every reverse, don't take 2 or 3 short ones if 1 long one will achieve the same goal.
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Old 04-20-2009, 12:31 AM   #20
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i dont have a dig yet so iuse rev to MY advantage yes i take the point to get a good line. i think it makes a better drive to think the course. i will get a dig in the future and hopefuly not have to rev so much . ive run a course that was desinged for a dig so yes ill take 1 long rev instead of 5 small ones and all the points that go with it
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