Flipping through gates?

[oldhippie]

So is a gate cleared if the rig is upside down/side ways and 2 (1 front & 1 rear) wheels fly through it? I know the markers continue up like goal posts but does the gate itself? Does the rig have to be right side up/under control to get progress? I wasn't allowed progress because I was upside down.
Other question is About gates and markers. At the local comps we are awarded 2 progress points for getting through a gate (with or without a penalty). The rule is: " (-1 progress point) will be awarded to drivers for each gate that is cleared by the vehicle during the attempt of a course. Both axles of the vehicle must clear a gate, and not just break the plane of the gate, before progress bonus is awarded. "
It seems to me we should only get one progress point for clearing a gate. Or if each marker is worth 1 progress point, we should get 2 points for a clean clear and 1 point if we hit a marker. Or I guess no points if we hit both markers in which case is the gate cleared at all?
I guess the third question is if ya hit both markers do ya still get the progress point/points?
Sorry, I'm a newbie at all this. I'm not a dick just confused. OK I'm a dick too.:-P

[dpdsurf]

Gate progression was just discussed here. You should have been awarded progression providing at least one wheel from each axle was between the markers as it went though.

Some clubs award -2 points but USRCCA rules state -1 for progression.

If you hit both markers it does not matter as long as 1 wheel from each axle went between the markers. If they did not the judge will tell you and you will have to do what is necessary to clear the gate properly. Usually reversing or circling around to reattempt the gate. Or if your club uses the "optional" 20 point per gate rule you are place past the gate and continue the course without progression points for the gate. Our club does not use this rule.

1.7.1 -

The maximum points per gate is 20. Once a driver has reached the maximum of 20-penalty
points, they will be placed past that gate. No progress points are given for the gates not cleared. (20

pt maximum per gate is optional)

P.S. Stop being such a dick! (just kidding of course, those were all good questions)

[P1choco]

So theoretically, if a vehicle cartwheels through a gate, it's good right? I've been practicing my cartwheels .

[dirtyal]

As long as you clear the gate in the intended direction, it shouldn't matter how the rig gets through it. That the way our club does it anyway.

Last year I made it through a gate backwards and upside down.

[BigB_117]

I rolled down a hill and landed on my roof in the middle of a gate once. Drove/tumbled out upside down, and still got the -1.

[PROTOTYPE]

As long as 1 from the front and 1 from the rear your good. If all 4 do not go through its a gate penalty BUT you still get the progress.

[MommaBear]

Prototype is correct. It should have counted as hitting a gate but you should have gotten your progress point unless your club was using the 20 point max per gate rule and if hitting the gate put you at 20 for that gate.

[oldhippie]

Thanks guys!

[crawlinghulls]

Gotta admit "driving" a gate and "cartwheeling" through a gate really shouldn't get the same score in a sport focused on driver skill.

[robbio4422]

Originally Posted by crawlinghulls

Gotta admit "driving" a gate and "cartwheeling" through a gate really shouldn't get the same score in a sport focused on driver skill.

usually. if a car in cartwheeling through a gate. it going to be on its lid or backwards when its done... driver will ge the -1 for progress but will most likely get 10 for gate touch, 1 for reverse, or 5 for the rollover.

[dpdsurf]

Originally Posted by crawlinghulls

Gotta admit "driving" a gate and "cartwheeling" through a gate really shouldn't get the same score in a sport focused on driver skill.

I understand your point, but ultimately skill seams to always prevail over luck. I have seen gates where the only way anyone cleared them all day without penalty was a lucky roll through it. It was 2 drivers I can think of one particular comp I was judging and neither one of them finished in the top 10 that day.

Originally Posted by robbio4422

usually. if a car in cartwheeling through a gate. it going to be on its lid or backwards when its done... driver will ge the -1 for progress but will most likely get 10 for gate touch, 1 for reverse, or 5 for the rollover.

Pretty much the case.

[joesbruiser]

I drive through gates upside down all the time with my super.

[dpdsurf]

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

I drive through gates upside down all the time with my super.

Is their any other way? :-?

[Culetto]

Maybe the rules committee need to take another look at this one then. I know this has been debated before but if the gate continues up and you cannot have any part of your rig in an imaginary vertical plane above the gate then many sidehill gates would impossible and everyone would get a penalty.



Meaning in theory if my back tire was leaned over in a sidehill situation as seen above and the top of the tire was ''above'' the gate then it would be a gate penalty even though it never touched. (this isnt the best picture example but the was the first one i found that showed a narrow sidehill)

[dpdsurf]

Originally Posted by Culetto

Maybe the rules committee need to take another look at this one then. I know this has been debated before but if the gate continues up and you cannot have any part of your rig in an imaginary vertical plane above the gate then many sidehill gates would impossible and everyone would get a penalty.



Meaning in theory if my back tire was leaned over in a sidehill situation as seen above and the top of the tire was ''above'' the gate then it would be a gate penalty even though it never touched. (this isnt the best picture example but the was the first one i found that showed a narrow sidehill)

My interpretation is that if the tire is on the ground and between the gate marker, it is not a penalty. 7.3.4 clearly states that "if the wheel floats". It is not floating if it's on the ground. If it's floating, it's up to the judge to determine if the edge of the tire hovered over the marker.

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7.3.4 - If a wheel floats above a gate marker, the driver must correct it before that gate is deemed clear
and progress is awarded. If the driver fails to correct the position of the tire, such that it is not located
above the gate marker, and continues to clear the gate, a gate penalty will be assessed at that time in

addition to the gate progress. All 4 tires must go between the gate markers to not receive a gate penalty.

[MR.VERTICAL]

dpd you mite wont to add color to that, wouldn't wont them to get confused

[dpdsurf]

Originally Posted by MR.VERTICAL

dpd you mite wont to add color to that, wouldn't wont them to get confused

How's this? :-P