Alternate Gate ??

[DwaneO]

We have been using an alternate gate ( we have been calling it a bonus gate ) in each one of our courses. You can go through the alternate gate for a -10 , OR go through the regular gate.
Question: If an Alt gate is attempted and in making it through the gate you hit a gate marker , what is your score ?

Thanks
Dwane

[ROCKCAD]

if you get 1 frt. wheel thru and 1 rear wheel thru you get -10 progression and also get + 10 for hitting gate.

[joesbruiser]

Most of the time if a course has a alt. gate if you hit the gate it just goes dead and no penalty but any reverses,rollovers ETC that are acquired while attempting that gate would be counted against you.

[DwaneO]

Originally Posted by ROCKCAD

if you get 1 frt. wheel thru and 1 rear wheel thru you get -10 progression and also get + 10 for hitting gate.

So it would cancel itself out , would you get a progression point ?

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

Most of the time if a course has a alt. gate if you hit the gate it just goes dead and no penalty but any reverses,rollovers ETC that are acquired while attempting that gate would be counted against you.

This is what I was thinking.

[slowrockr]

Originally Posted by ROCKCAD

if you get 1 frt. wheel thru and 1 rear wheel thru you get -10 progression and also get + 10 for hitting gate.

That's how we play 'em, all cones are live, whether on a bonus gate, alternate gate, start gate, finish gate, whatever.

[ROCKCAD]

basically, it cancels itself out like you said.(+10 for hitting 1 gate and -10 for progression) you don't get an additional -1 progression. so just for that gate your score would be zero.(1 hit gate and progress) (if you hit both gates and progress your score would be +10...for that gate... 20 in gate penalties and -10 for progression)

Originally Posted by DwaneO

So it would cancel itself out , would you get a progression point ?



This is what I was thinking.

[dpdsurf]

Originally Posted by DwaneO

So it would cancel itself out , would you get a progression point ?



This is what I was thinking.

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

Most of the time if a course has a alt. gate if you hit the gate it just goes dead and no penalty but any reverses,rollovers ETC that are acquired while attempting that gate would be counted against you.

The gate being dead would be true for a Bonus gate, but not an Alternate. Alternate gates are scored exactly the same way as standard gates, you just get more progression points, typically -10 as opposed to -1 for a standard gate.

[ROCKCAD]

i think you might be talking about a bonus gate. no penalties are given while attempting a bonus gate(reverves, roll overs) as soon as you have to take a touch, touch roll over, reposition,run out of time, or hit a bonus gate marker. bonus gate points will not be awarded and you are automatically done with the bonus gate.

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

Most of the time if a course has a alt. gate if you hit the gate it just goes dead and no penalty but any reverses,rollovers ETC that are acquired while attempting that gate would be counted against you.

[ROCKCAD]

thats the second time dave i posted and so were you

[DwaneO]

We are running it as an "alternate " gate. We were calling it a bonus gate , but not anymore after this.
I think i'm cleared up on this. NO -1 progress point , just -10 progress and EACH marker hit is +10

Thanks for your help
Dwane

[ROCKCAD]

good deal , this should help clarify between gates.

Optional:

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4.6.1 - Bonus Gates: (up to –10 points per course) award negative points against the total score if the
driver is successful in clearing these gates. Bonus Gates have special rules. No Reverse or Rollover
penalties will be assessed while attempting a bonus gate. If a driver needs to Reposition or hits a Gate
Marker a Bonus Gate will not be awarded. Although grouped with a course, bonus gates are not part of an
actual course, but may be attempted after completing the course where the bonus gate is located (within
the time limit of that course - if applicable).

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4.6.2 - Alternate Gates: (up to -10 points per course) are a secondary set of gates that is part of the
course. These gates will be very difficult. Normal Scoring rules apply with the exception of (1) Free

Reverse/Back Up, this is used in order to abort your attempt and continue on the regular course

Originally Posted by DwaneO

We are running it as an "alternate " gate. We were calling it a bonus gate , but not anymore after this.
I think i'm cleared up on this. NO -1 progress point , just -10 progress and EACH marker hit is +10

Thanks for your help
Dwane

[Fishmaxx]

I personally hate the Bonus Gate rule as it is written. When you see it isn't crawling! Drivers are allowed to flail wildly for the given time period without consequence.

Most of the events I have been to lately either COUNT penalties incurred during the bonus or the REDUCE the value of the bonus until its worthless or time expires.


At the 2009 ECC ran Bonus Gates mid-course (not really an alternate since it was an extra gate) that had to be completed on the clock. Which brought DNF into play. It forced driver to think if the risk was worth the reward, and it really separated the men from the boys

[dpdsurf]

Fish,

Yeah we rarely do bonus gates. The 2 times this season we have they were so hard that nobody progressed them. It really does turn into an exhibition of wild driving. We like alternate gates.

Even though the mid course bonus was an extra gate did you score it like an alternate? We have had some courses where the alternate was actually an extra gate but scored it exactly like an alternate. But you're right, by definition it really is a bonus since it's an extra gate as opposed to an alternate prgression value. Maybe the future rules could add a 3rd option called Mid Course Bonus? With no free opt out reverse. Probably too confusing. But an arguement for keeping bonus rules the same is that a driver is potentially rewarded for driving a course clean and quick.

[Fishmaxx]

We also do the Mid-Course Bonus like an Alternate Gate with out the free reverse. We also don't give credit for it if you don't finish the course, so drivers that don't finish the course can't get a better score than someone who does.