Common Sense Answers

[Fishmaxx]

Last week there was quite a few posts on the Rules. I decided to take a day off and just think about it. The posts that coming to mind were the one that said you just have to have some common sense. A lot of people posted that technology should not be limited, technically it doesnt say this or that, etc.

The question that I have, and would like a common sense answer to is why are these 2 lines even in the rules? If the are not there to prevent changing wheelbase, track width, ride height, and tires while running a course then why are they there? If that was not that was not the intent it seems kind of silly for them to be there in the first place.

Originally Posted by RCC 2006 Rules

General Event Rules & Event Management

• The vehicle must finish a course in the same wheelbase, track width, ride height, and tires it
started that course with.

• Drivers may make changes to wheelbase, track width, ride height, and tires between course
runs.

I am hoping someone can give me a common sense answer on why the lines are even in the rules, and PLEASE before the winching down guys start posting "Winching down is just part of suspension cycling" guys start posting. For the sake of arguement in this post I will give that to you. Please don't hijack this thread

[raul duke]

Drivers can make changes(within the rules) before or after a run but not during. Seems common sense.

I would love to debate you but the intent is, well it's obvious.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

I see the intent of the rule. It's common sence, but check my sig.

Some just cannot see the intent & comprehend what they're reading.

[grover]

Common sense? The intent of the rule was to force a driver to choose a set up before each stage. Thus negating the "I will take a five point repair" to "adjust my set up". If you start a stage with mashers you should end it with mashers. If your truck starts at 16 inch wheel base thats the set up you chose it should stay that way. If you think you need a longer wheel base, change in between runs not during a stage (comps would take even longer if we allowed this)!

[JohnRobHolmes]

I cant tell either way. Manual changes to the rig on the course are not allowed, but the part that states

• The vehicle must finish a course in the same wheelbase, track width, ride height, and tires it started that course with.

leads me to believe that vehicle designs meant to change these are ok as long as it STARTS and FINISHES with the same specs and doesnt violate any other rules.

I understand the intent now that it has been shown, but it isnt clear by just reading.

[Kamikaze]

I will play the devil's advocate here and say one thing. I will agree that these rules were ment to make a driver use one setup on each coarse, but if you make your vehicle so that your "one" setup includes the ability to change anything about your vehicle from your transmiter than the current rules in my opinion are not worded in a way to make such changes illegal. With that said I think this situation can be resolved without a 15 page rule book. If you want end the problems in the 2.2 class than state the rule differently

"A vehicle must finish the coarse with the same w/b, tires, ride height that it started with, and during said run no changes to these parameters can be made by phisical or mechanical means via the transmiter, ex. adjutsable w/b or ride height."

Problem solved.

But I still think dig should be allowed, it is a cheap mod to do if you want to or you can just buy it, most people have a 3 channel radio to start with and if they don't we all know how cheap tq3's are.

[raul duke]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

I cant tell either way. Manual changes to the rig on the course are not allowed, but the part that states

• The vehicle must finish a course in the same wheelbase, track width, ride height, and tires it started that course with.

leads me to believe that vehicle designs meant to change these are ok as long as it STARTS and FINISHES with the same specs and doesnt violate any other rules.

I understand the intent now that it has been shown, but it isnt clear by just reading.

I think you could make that point on three of four, but you gotta tell me how you can change your tires in a non-manual way.

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by raul duke

I think you could make that point on three of four, but you gotta tell me how you can change your tires in a non-manual way.

Please thats easy, fairy dust, duh

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

..... If you want end the problems in the 2.2 class than state the rule differently

Jeff, Thanks for you input, but its not really a 2.2 only issue. Supers must also play by the same on course rules. IMO Unlimited class is for all the adjustable wheelbase/ride height trucks

[jason]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Jeff, Thanks for you input, but its not really a 2.2 only issue. Supers must also play by the same on course rules. IMO Unlimited class is for all the adjustable wheelbase/ride height trucks

So what about forced articulation, and using a winch on the front.

And next week what about hydro driven trucks.

And the week after that what about trucks that are able to keep driving upsidedown.

And the week after that....

And the week after that....

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by jason

So what about forced articulation, and using a winch on the front.

And next week what about hydro driven trucks.

And the week after that what about trucks that are able to keep driving upsidedown.

And the week after that....

And the week after that....

That one isn't that far away!

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by jason

So what about forced articulation, and using a winch on the front.

And next week what about hydro driven trucks.

And the week after that what about trucks that are able to keep driving upsidedown.

And the week after that....

And the week after that....

I would respond, but I don't want to hijack my own thread

[JasonInAugusta]

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by jason

So what about forced articulation

I thought we had already decided that was within the rules.

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by jason

And the week after that what about trucks that are able to keep driving upsidedown.

What is illegal about that???

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

What is illegal about that???

nothing as long as it has a legal body orr tuber.

[freetimecrawler]

I'm just glad our club nominated someone besides me to be our rep for the USRCCA rules committe. I have a headache already.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by freetimecrawler

I'm just glad our club nominated someone besides me to be our rep for the USRCCA rules committe. I have a headache already.

I know what you mean I asked as nicely as possible please don't Hijack this thread, and a few posts in.........HIJACK

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

I know what you mean I asked as nicely as possible please don't Hijack this thread, and a few posts in.........HIJACK

Whoops sorry, just got a little exited.

[badger]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Last week there was quite a few posts on the Rules. I decided to take a day off and just think about it. The posts that coming to mind were the one that said you just have to have some common sense. A lot of people posted that technology should not be limited, technically it doesnt say this or that, etc.

The question that I have, and would like a common sense answer to is why are these 2 lines even in the rules? If the are not there to prevent changing wheelbase, track width, ride height, and tires while running a course then why are they there? If that was not that was not the intent it seems kind of silly for them to be there in the first place.



I am hoping someone can give me a common sense answer on why the lines are even in the rules, and PLEASE before the winching down guys start posting "Winching down is just part of suspension cycling" guys start posting. For the sake of arguement in this post I will give that to you. Please don't hijack this thread

How many different ways are you going to try make yourself understand what we already discussed in the other thread and via PM.