2.2 Rim discusion

[Kamikaze]

I just thought I would throw something out for debate. Since the new rules limit the overall height of the tire, could we concider changing the 2.2 class so that any size rim could be used. I think that the 2.2 rule was put into place to be a tire limiting factor, I'm not sure cause I wasn't around then. I think this would open up new advances in the 2.2 class, under knuckle batterys for one, or for people like me who like to run less sidewall could run bigger rims. It wouldn't realy be unfair to anyone, since there are already a few "mutant" tires popping up. It would actualy make it easier for a beginner to run a larger tire, such as a maxx masher or a badland. Just a though, I havent stirred up any trouble in hear in a while, just though I would try.

[Double J]

Kinda like a 40 rim and a 2.2 tire or something?

have any pics compaired to a 2.2 "traditional" set up.

[Kamikaze]

No, I havent tried it, but you hit the nail on the head, it would be like a 40 series 2.2 rim, or even a thorn. I know theres some cool metric rims that I think people would like to have the option of running. I just think under knuckle 2/3a's would be a nice thing to have, expecialy on a tlt where cog is hard to come by.

[Kamikaze]

OK I threw this together, I forgot I had some narrowed maxx sized rims. I would like to run a rim this size, I doubt I would even use huge tires. I just think that the smaller sidewall works better. Plus you don't have to have any fab skilled to do this, other than narrowing a rim. Just a thought.

[Double J]

Tires look to be about the same size. I wouldn't see a problem with it. Or at least I wouldn't say anything at a comp as I see no advantage to running an oversized rim.
Have you even tried it out on a TLT yet? I dont' think you'll get the grip you want with it set up like that.?

I'd be interested to see how it does cause I like to see different things done. slap some togeather and get a video for me.


EDIT: USRCCA rules - http://www.usrcca.com/rules2006.pdf state 2.2" wheels or smaller which would mean the rims cause the tires are like 5" or something. They don't have the 07 rules up yet.
So according to those rules it would be illegal to run the larger rims "wheels".
But as I stated earlier I don't really see and advantage other than battery placement.
Does it widen your stance to over 12.5"? that would also make it illegal.

[renoirbud]

hey Kamikaze

I think your idea is great.

But I think its place is in a 2.2 unlimited class. I would be very interested in a class where you can run 4ws on a 2.2 rig. I imagine that with your wheel idea and the resulting lower CG the Super 2.2 would be a blast to drive.

[mrmaxxman]

i tried a set of 1/8 buggy tires(pin spike) they are really soft with no foams. i did notice an improvement on off camber situations, undecided on the actual craw/grip part tho!!! just my 2 cents..i say try it out and see what happens

[Kamikaze]

I haven't tried it, I just happend to have that rim laying around, I didn't even put the tire on untill after I posted up the question and you asked for a pic. As far a grip goes I think it would grip better cause theres no need for foam at all. I know that my xl's realy started working better when I put them on the xtm thorns. I guess I'm just thinking that the rim size shouldn't be a factor since the max tire size is now limited. Also there is a poll at the top of this thread. And for the width these particular rims would be narrower than the hpi's on the other tire, probably by about a 1/2" or more.

[Double J]

I'd really like to hear what the mod or rule makers have to say about it.

It may help to see the rules state a 2.2 rim and the tire that is to fit on a 2.2 rim. Or just state a 2.2 designated tire with a any rim that doesn't affect the overall hight or width of the tire..

[Kamikaze]

Well I figured if there fine with a 6 inch tire or less then why not take the next logical step and alow different rim sizes. The overall height of the tire will be the biggest difference in leveling the playing feild. So I guess it will be the 12.5" class instead of 2.2 then.

[Grizzly4x4]

I wouldn't want to allow it because it takes away from the "scale" look of the class. I realize thet the comp rigs are deviating more and more from looking scale, but I think it is important to the hobby to have a class that has at least some scale dimensions to it.
I will always try to preserve two things about the 2.2 class:
1) A driver class but with enough flexibility in the vehicle specifications to allow experimentation.
2) Having a class that will help attract people who enjoy the scale aspect of the hobby.

Many people who see the competitions can relate to seeing minature versions of Jeeps, Broncos, trucks, and even buggies. This recognition draws many people to crawling. If the 2.2 class turned into a Super class with a wheelbase limit I know I would lose interest.
I think that 1:1 competition fan base would grow faster if there were more people who could recognize what people are driving. Heck, I have trouble telling who's driving what alot of the time.

With the tubers really being competitive now, the class is really starting to look like a scale comp class IMO, and I like that.

[Unholy]

FrankyRizzo did some new stampede 2.8 rims with moabs on them... looked killer!

I don't see it happening anytime soon, but I think that with the introduction of those 2.8 rims, we may see a slow death of the 2.2 sized wheels and tires in the next few years.

[Fishmaxx]

I knew once we removed the requirement of using actual 2.2 tires the next question would be the wheels. As I said before when the debate started about 2.2 tires.

Its 2.2 class, so we should use 2.2 tires and wheels.

I guess we could change the name to 12.5 class

[Kamikaze]

Hey Fish, when you saw I started a thread in the rules section did you mumble under your breath???

[dezfan]

I agree w/ Unholy, w/ Traxxas moving away from the 2.2 inch wheel, the availability and the popularity of the 2.2 inch wheel may fall from favor w/ manufactures.

If so, new dimensions for the "2.2" class will be needed.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by dezfan

I agree w/ Unholy, w/ Traxxas moving away from the 2.2 inch wheel, the availability and the popularity of the 2.2 inch wheel may fall from favor w/ manufactures.

If so, new dimensions for the "2.2" class will be needed.

Fawk traxxas!! They don't own the 2.2 market. Thier rims suck anyway.

I'm totally against it.

[TwistedCreations]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

Hey Fish, when you saw I started a thread in the rules section did you mumble under your breath???

No, but I did

• Vehicle is limited to 2.2 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. Wheels may be modified provided
that the tire bead surface does not exceed 2.2 inched in diameter. Tires may be modified from other sized
tires using only a pliable rubber but must not exceed a total uncompressed outer diameter of 6 inches.

End of discussion

[Kamikaze]

Looks scale enough to me, shouldn't comps be about performance and scale be left in the scale class?? It looks like the 1:1 world is going that way, why not be ahead of the curve?

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

No, but I did

• Vehicle is limited to 2.2 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. Wheels may be modified provided
that the tire bead surface does not exceed 2.2 inched in diameter. Tires may be modified from other sized
tires using only a pliable rubber but must not exceed a total uncompressed outer diameter of 6 inches.

End of discussion

I know its not legal, I was just opening up a disscusion for new ideas. Maybe not this year but in years to come. Besides I know all you rule people are board and need something else to talk about.

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Fawk traxxas!! They don't own the 2.2 market. Thier rims suck anyway.

I'm totally against it.

Not saying that they do.

But the most popular rigs w/ 2.2 inch wheels and a 12mm hex were made by Traxxas.

The 2.2 wheels used in 1/10 scale off road don't use hexs, and many of the TC wheels that are 2.2 and use a 12mm hex are fairly flimsy.

I'm not really worried about it, I have a set of RC4WD wheels, Erickson bead locks, and w/ Axial coming out w/ their 2.2 bead lock wheel, I'm sure the 2.2 wheels w/ be plentiful.

But I thought the same thing about TLT axles too.

Never hurts to be prepared.