Updated and revised SORRCA Rules and Specs

[Tommy R]

Originally Posted by dingo2010

Look, I understand that you all have been at this longer than I have, because I have only been doing it for just over a year. I admit that I don't know the progresssion of the tire sizing over the last 5 years. But it makes it hard to build a car to scale that you would like to have compete in one class, and because of a rule that has nothing to do with the scale look of the vehicle it is placed in a higher class.

To put it simply, decisions had to be made to accommodate as many people as possible. This means that, yes, there will be scenarios where someone will not have things go their way. Unfortunately, the decision to limit Class 2 rigs to a 4.75" tire somewhat adversely affects you. I say "somewhat" because there are 2.2 tires out there that will work for you. You just need to search around to locate them because they're not that common. But at least you have the opportunity to get a lower profile 2.2 to run in Class 2. If we made it a "1.9 class" you wouldn't even have that opportunity! Just something to think about...

[PinchFlat]

Originally Posted by dezfan

Are we having fun yet?

WOW Dezfan I just noticed you have hit 10,000 posts... Impressive.



Was this post enough to change the damn subject?

[sloppy]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

If they are not on the band list they are legal. If they are under the max size tire for what ever class you are running then they are legal. Can't get much easier than that.

IF Sloppy sends you a list ,I think he should send one to the 47,353 members of RCC too. that is a real number as of this morning.

Exactly right there is no legal list. no one on the committee should be sending out any approved tire list since there is no such thing..

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by PinchFlat

WOW Dezfan I just noticed you have hit 10,000 posts... Impressive.



Was this post enough to change the damn subject?

Would you like to kiss my ring now?

[PinchFlat]

Originally Posted by dezfan

Would you like to kiss my ring now?

[War Pig]

WOW Dez, how does it feel to have the same approval rating with scale guys as Obama has in the state of Texas?

[dezfan]

I love having fun!

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Originally Posted by War Pig

WOW Dez, how does it feel to have the same approval rating with scale guys as Obama has in the state of Texas?

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[dezfan]

Originally Posted by War Pig

WOW Dez, how does it feel to have the same approval rating with scale guys as Obama has in the state of Texas?

You know Tim, I could really care less. I know for a fact that I'm not alone in my feelings, I'm just not afraid to speak my mind. If the "Scale Guys" don't like it, tough shit!

I've said from the start that "Scale rules" are an oxymoron. Scale is subjective and all the issues that have been brought to light prove it.

I applause you guys for trying, but there is way to much personal opinion involved to try and regulate it.

[Tommy R]

Originally Posted by dezfan

You know Tim, I could really care less. I know for a fact that I'm not alone in my feelings, I'm just not afraid to speak my mind. If the "Scale Guys" don't like it, tough shit!

I've said from the start that "Scale rules" are an oxymoron. Scale is subjective and all the issues that have been brought to light prove it.

I applause you guys for trying, but there is way to much personal opinion involved to try and regulate it.

The good thing is if you feel that way about organized scale competition, you don't have to participate or have anything to do with it. You can still do casual trail rides all you want while the rest of us enjoy our scale comps. Everyone wins.

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by dezfan

You know Tim, I could really care less. I know for a fact that I'm not alone in my feelings, I'm just not afraid to speak my mind. If the "Scale Guys" don't like it, tough shit!

I've said from the start that "Scale rules" are an oxymoron. Scale is subjective and all the issues that have been brought to light prove it.

I applause you guys for trying, but there is way to much personal opinion involved to try and regulate it.

I knew the Obama reference would get you going....c'mon, I'm just having a little fun. Just like everyone has said, you can't please everyone, and the people that like to compete will build to the rules. Everyone else can build what they want and get together for trail runs.....everyone wins.

[EvilTwin v2]

Originally Posted by dingo2010

I am trying to work with what I currently have which is 4 sets of 2.2 billet wheels and I want to buy tires to put one of my vehicles into trail 2 (this is on my tr not the new one).

So, basically, this whole load of crap you've been slinging at us is because you have a bunch of 2.2 wheels and you want to run them in 2.2? Wow! It's amazing the huge deal some people will make just because they don't want to spend a couple dollars. so all of your post bitching about class 2 tire diameter came down to this.

Why don't you simply buy a set of 1.9 tires that you like and stretch them over the 2.2 bead? That way you can run your precious wheels.

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by Tommy R

The good thing is if you feel that way about organized scale competition, you don't have to participate or have anything to do with it. You can still do casual trail rides all you want while the rest of us enjoy our scale comps. Everyone wins.

Originally Posted by War Pig

I knew the Obama reference would get you going....c'mon, I'm just having a little fun. Just like everyone has said, you can't please everyone, and the people that like to compete will build to the rules. Everyone else can build what they want and get together for trail runs.....everyone wins.

You guys are right I(and others) don't have to play by these rules.

Unfortunately, you guys can't seem to see the forest for the trees. Scale has grown exponentially BECAUSE people just wanted to have fun, get together w/ their buds and play around on the rocks. They wanted to get away from the complexity of comp rules and way that they destroyed the aspect of having fun.

I guees it's true that history has a way of repeating itself.

[Tommy R]

Originally Posted by dezfan

You guys are right I(and others) don't have to play by these rules.

Unfortunately, you guys can't seem to see the forest for the trees. Scale has grown exponentially BECAUSE people just wanted to have fun, get together w/ their buds and play around on the rocks. They wanted to get away from the complexity of comp rules and way that they destroyed the aspect of having fun.

I guees it's true that history has a way of repeating itself.

So you feel there should be no scale comps, right?

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by Tommy R

So you feel there should be no scale comps, right?

Not at all.

What I'm saying is that "regulating" ever aspect of a "Scale" rig is counter productive.

The new rules are much much better, but as you can see from many of the response, questions, comments, etc... It's very difficult to come to a point of agreement when the subject is so subjective and open to interpretation.

IMO, a very simple set of "guidelines" is more appropriate to this genre.

Scale is much more about free expression, divergence, and individuality. To force people to "conform" (which I've seen referenced several times) to rules instead of the rules conforming to what people wish to build is going to lead to animosity and resentment toward those rules.

I feel like some on the committee are taking this personal, it's not. I just think that we need to be very careful how this is approached and implemented.

[Tommy R]

Originally Posted by dezfan

Not at all.

What I'm saying is that "regulating" ever aspect of a "Scale" rig is counter productive.

The new rules are much much better, but as you can see from many of the response, questions, comments, etc... It's very difficult to come to a point of agreement when the subject is so subjective and open to interpretation.

IMO, a very simple set of "guidelines" is more appropriate to this genre.

Scale is much more about free expression, divergence, and individuality. To force people to "conform" (which I've seen referenced several times) to rules instead of the rules conforming to what people wish to build is going to lead to animosity and resentment toward those rules.

I feel like some on the committee are taking this personal, it's not. I just think that we need to be very careful how this is approached and implemented.

I hear you. So what would you suggest that's better than what is currently proposed?

EDIT: Just to be clear, that's a sincere question, not being a smart azz.

[dezfan]

At this point, I'm not sure.

The rules are already in place, and the wheels are in motion(i.e. builds, events, etc..). I guess the only thing to do is sit back and see how it plays out. Hopefully the rules have been relaxed enough to allow for the individuality and uniqueness of the builds and builders to continue to prosper.

I would really hate to see the "scale" competition vehicle turn into so many cookie cutters rigs like the comp classes have become.

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Originally Posted by War Pig

I knew the Obama reference would get you going....c'mon, I'm just having a little fun. Just like everyone has said, you can't please everyone, and the people that like to compete will build to the rules. Everyone else can build what they want and get together for trail runs.....everyone wins.

I agree 100%

[4xFord]

I think yall did a great job with the rules and kept them nice and simple. I'm not a big fan of the bonus system in general, but I like the class designations and rules.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by dingo2010

I am trying to work with what I currently have which is 4 sets of 2.2 billet wheels and I want to buy tires to put one of my vehicles into trail 2.

1.9 wheels can be had cheap. I bought a set of Honcho wheels and tires a while back for $25. Buy some and quit worrying about it.

Originally Posted by dezfan

The rules are already in place, and the wheels are in motion(i.e. builds, events, etc..). I guess the only thing to do is sit back and see how it plays out. Hopefully the rules have been relaxed enough to allow for the individuality and uniqueness of the builds and builders to continue to prosper.

Was it written in the rules that they are forever and ever? If something doesn't seem to work out, then it can be changed next year. No biggie.

Though I do agree that it'd suck to have some uber strict scale rules. I think the new set is pretty flexable. Enough guidelines to keep rigs in order without limiting creativity.

I am a little bummed that you only get a bonus for leaf springs while everything else (mainly 3 link/panhard bar) is lumped in with plain 'ol 4 links...