02-27-2013, 12:29 PM | #101 |
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| Re: twin hammers Thanks. Stangkilla built most of that. I had initially not intended to use it in scaler comps, but was given suggestions to bolt rails to the sides and that would make it legal (that the center piece was just one large skid).
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02-27-2013, 12:35 PM | #102 | |
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I have my opinion just like you guys, TH is a class 3 rig, there's no place in class 2 for this rig ,unless you want to completely take the class 2 class apart. For someone the want to change rules so the TH will fit in class 2 when it already fits in class 3 is a Brat!! sorry I had to be the one to tell you. If the rule committee changes it, I 'll follow it. Why is my opinion being attacked , like my opinion matter to anything anyway. I just someone whos following the rules that are laided out. | |
02-27-2013, 12:37 PM | #103 |
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So maybe yall missed it because there were no name calling or penis measuring in the post, but some valid questions that might help lead to a solution were posted in post #90. Anybody know the answers? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2 |
02-27-2013, 12:42 PM | #104 | |
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02-27-2013, 02:20 PM | #105 |
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You guys are killing me - Stop being kids and atleast pick up a phone. Even the VW has to have a Full cage to run baja or any other real race or offroad event. They tech the vehicles or they don't run. That makes them a tuber not a pan chassis at that point. Think about it guys - Some of this your making harder than it needs to be. Or you really are just wanting to skate the rules and suck at it. |
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02-27-2013, 02:32 PM | #107 |
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02-27-2013, 02:44 PM | #108 | |
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It's unfortunate that we can't just have perfect rules that account for every rig and every custom build. There's no such thing as perfect rules. we know that. I hope that the committee doesn't take these types of threads as an insult to their rule making process. I dont think i could come up with better rules for a national standard. Even if i did come up with "better" rules, there would still be people that dont agree with them. Where i'm at right now is I AGREE that the TWH out of the box is NOT a c2 legal rig. (for me it's about tire covereage WAY more than it being about tub vs. rails.) BUT I think it would be a shame to close the c2 door completely for the TWH because I know a lot of people are planning on running different bodies on the TWH which would provide more tire coverage, add height, etc. This would leave the TUB as the ONLY thing keeping it from c2. I think that's kinda sad. Last edited by heinie_21; 02-27-2013 at 02:50 PM. | |
02-27-2013, 02:45 PM | #109 |
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The only real point I have been trying to make is this. The TH fits in class 3, but at a big disadvantage. Therefore I don't people would even want to try to run one. Which more or less eliminates it based on its size. The debate about it on a performance level in class 2 has people saying it would do well, and others saying a well thought out class 2 would still kill it. The question is should the rules always be proactive for new products or a closed door because as Ricky puts it rules are rules. This isn't the USRCCA, this is scale, some flexibility could go a long way. Don't bother saying anything Ricky, it's clear you disagree with every comment I make. I'll stop shirt of calling you names though. Last edited by Rockpiledriver; 02-27-2013 at 02:47 PM. |
02-27-2013, 02:54 PM | #110 | |
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WarPig - I meant Class1 baja rig, my mistake by not fully explaining myself. Quote:
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02-27-2013, 03:08 PM | #111 | |
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02-27-2013, 03:28 PM | #112 |
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And I agree with you and Tim but here is the flip to that. Class2 is the widest used class and the easiest for new guys. With the agreement that a tube chassis rig can be made street legal why are we not opening the doors to that for the new guys? Make it so it has to e street legal and still be within the c2 rules. I don't want to see skinny buggies in class2. But I do think you see more custom rigs from new guys. Which then equals more work and support to some of our vendors ect ect ect. Remember the rules keep the rigs within the classes on equal playing field. Not the style of rig. That almost can't be controlled really. |
02-27-2013, 04:35 PM | #113 | |
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But why we are there. Personally I classify a tuber as a rig that is supported and braced with tube work. Just as my chassis Taco Time and the Raisin are not tubers neither is the Twin Hammers. This to me looks like it is supported by a tub/pan with a "body" being bolted to it. See my point? If it was truly a tuber, when the cage was taken off there should be nothing left. The twin hammers looks like you can run it without the tube work, sounds like a body, albeit a complicated body a body nonetheless. | |
02-27-2013, 04:47 PM | #114 | |
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I've run it without the cage a few time to test gearing and what not. It's definitely a bolt on body. Minimal structural properties. Just protects your electronics and tranny imo. Quote:
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02-27-2013, 05:30 PM | #116 |
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| Re: twin hammers So since its not USRCCA in doesn't matter? The time that the scale club members, club leaders, event organizers, SORCCA committee members and the vendors have put into this genre of the hobby means nothing.... Ok this discussion has officially hit rock bottom. I wonder if in some ROAR thread some where on the net there is a guy complaining that he should'nt have to follow any rules and his toy truck should be able to run in the Stadium Truck class because it goes fast.
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02-27-2013, 05:46 PM | #117 | |
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02-27-2013, 06:01 PM | #118 | |
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What ever the rule committee comes up with, I'll follow. Will the changes in the rules start now or next year, just wondering. Maybe let them in class 2 with a different body, being the body it has is a tuber. Cause you know if you let it in class 2 the way it is, then why not let the Wraith in or build a tuber. Someone down the road will say, but why not the TH is. Maybe have a 2 rail chassis class 2 and then have a what ever chassis class 2. I can fix all this for you,just get rid of all the rules and just have 3 different size tire classes. Rear steer and dig in the big tire class. There all the problems are solved. I think thats where I'm going. | |
02-27-2013, 06:05 PM | #119 |
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I am on my phone and can't quote but to put it short and sweet. Looks should have nothing todo with any class Sirs. Are these scale concord rules or scale driving rules? |
02-27-2013, 06:08 PM | #120 |
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| Re: twin hammers That is the best statement regarding scale rules EVER!
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