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08-26-2014, 09:12 AM | #101 | |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Cincinnati
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals. ECSC14 Quote:
Truth, ECSC was an absolute blast | |
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08-26-2014, 09:26 AM | #102 |
owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals.
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08-26-2014, 09:28 AM | #103 |
Scale Detail Engineering Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Turtle Island
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals.
beat me to it! It said ECSC and then I clicked edit and it was gone! Magic of the internet! |
08-26-2014, 11:14 AM | #104 |
SuperShafty.com Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Visalia CA
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals.
thanks guys. !!
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08-26-2014, 08:48 PM | #105 | ||
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin Texas
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals. ECSC14 Quote:
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I won't bother to agree, or disagree with any of the points that are being made because when it really comes down to it there is no single set of perfect rules for scale competition; everyone has their own ideas for what it should be and that's part of what makes it great. We can only aim to do our best and work hard to keep things fun and interesting for everyone involved (on the rules side). We're fortunate in this community to have folks like Rckcrwlr, Warpig, Parker and many others who throw some really amazing and unique events. | ||
08-27-2014, 06:50 PM | #106 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sin City
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals.
Copy and pasted from the current SORRCA rules: Quote:
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08-27-2014, 08:58 PM | #107 | |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Richfield
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals. Quote:
Also, when tech (and scale points) is done and vehicles are issued their stickers (with truck number), why not give a small blank white sticker as well? This way, before leaving tech, the adjusted scale points (50% or whatever is used) for that rig can be written with a sharpie. Now, when a driver enters a course, everything is spelled out... Judge can write down driver name, truck #, scale points, etc. Its all there. If a DNF, 40 minus progress is used as a standard SORRCA wide To keep things moving along: 1.) Give each driver their own score sheets to carry per class. 2.) Set up a table with a few guys, calculators and a ballot box. 3.) Drivers finish all courses, go the table, add up scores, driver initials score and turns in paper on the spot. This driver/staff interaction will act as its own check and balance system. All info is 100% verified when driver leaves the score turn-in station. There is no need to post standings prior to Top 5 or Podium announcements. Allowing the event organizers to maintain secrecy (and know with confidence the data is correct) of podium finishes for the awards ceremonies. EDIT: Another thought.... Instead of 40pts. for a DNF, Use the MAX Scale points allowed for that particular class as the penalty number. If Class 1 has a 60 scale point max, 50% is still "useable scale points"(-30pts), but the FULL 60 minus progress is used for DNF's . This way, its still a big penalty and wipes out the scale point advantage, but easy to remember from event to event. Just a thought. Last edited by GiJoe; 08-27-2014 at 09:10 PM. | |
08-27-2014, 09:09 PM | #108 | |
Gettin’ back on the horse Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hoonsville
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There is yet to be a section within SORCCA that dictates how a national event should be run. | |
08-27-2014, 11:00 PM | #109 | |||
Scale Detail Engineering Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Turtle Island
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals. Me too... because of this. Quote:
Maybe it should be a sliding scale... just random examples If you are on gate 9 or 10 it's a 30 point penalty. If you are on gate 6 or 5 it's a 50 point penalty. If you are on gate 3 to 0 it's a 100 point penalty. I also feel DNS should be really expensive. It's one thing to time out or break down during your run but not being able to cross the start line on your own power should be more than 20+ the DNF. I'd say at least 200... all 10 gates x 2. Quote:
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If a laptop or smart phone is present (easy) we could also give drivers their position on the fly. Just enter the numbers and have an auto ranking system. I'm sure someone could do that... I'm pretty sure a guy in our club could do that. hmmm, not sold on that one. Class 3 often is worth less scale points than Class 1 but much tougher a course. | |||
08-28-2014, 06:36 AM | #110 | |||
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals. Quote:
40 is USRCCA, but that may be too low for the scale trucks and still building tough courses. I like 80 myself as I've thought about it. That's quite a bit of penalties so most should barely ever see a point out DNF, but its a fixed number to base time out penalties from, 80 - progress. Quote:
I do like having my own card, even if the same system is used to write and collect scores. This way, again I know how I'm doing and can talk to others and get a feel on how I am doing. Even if its not an event official card, just something I have. USRCCA events have done this for the big events and its a really cool memento to have. Quote:
Plus then smaller events can run based on the same rules/guidelines and help get the local drivers out to the big events without a confusion on how the rules are different. We always held our Comp events to mimic the big events, so those drivers who attend a big event understand things that are done. | |||
08-28-2014, 08:39 AM | #111 | |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Cincinnati
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| Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals. Quote:
We just have a dedicated score keeper who puts everything in excel once they complete tech and anyone who attended King Of Gurus 14 can tell you how smoothly that went. At the end of the day I think how scale points/ scores are tracked should be up to the organizers of the event - I'd hate to see this as a black and white SORCAA rule. Last edited by sgtbham; 08-28-2014 at 11:03 AM. | |
08-30-2014, 07:30 AM | #112 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Richfield
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals. I feel this should be a SORRCA standard. Heres why: Every comp I've been to this year has used SORRCA rules for the trucks, but the scoring protocol has been a little different at each event. Nothing major, but for instance: Team KNK and KOG had similar score sheets. ECSC had score sheets with a section for "progress". KOG charged +1 for winching, ECSC charged +3 for winching. None of the events I just mentioned had a defined "penalty" for DNF's...At least not one that was passed down to judges. As a judge, I had people asking me how a DNF was scored. I had no clue...had to tell them to check with the event organizers each time. Again, little nit-picky details, but I feel a "Standard" SORRCA score sheet will help fledgling groups abide by National Standards. Thereby making it easier and less stressful in the long run for new guys who may feel intimidated participating in a large event. If standards and procedures for scoring are the same at local / state levels as well as National Levels, that just keeps everyone on the same page across the board. |
08-30-2014, 09:03 AM | #113 |
owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals.
Since there will be sorrca rules available through RC ORVA , we can ensure that score sheets and scoring is consistent worldwide if sorrca gives us the rules to make it concrete.
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08-30-2014, 10:01 AM | #114 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sin City
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But local (state,city) are allowed to change rules as their club needs fit. This allows a broader field of players because a lot of guys will never travel to a national event. You answered your own issue IMHO - these are new events and new groups and clubs. No matter how much things are written out or black and white, there will be problems. Its part of life. | |
09-01-2014, 09:50 AM | #115 | |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: presKit
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| Re: Didn't finish all the courses. still in the finals. Quote:
THIS. We can practice and freecrawl and leave the course set up and BS all day long. But on the course on the clock it's how it would be at a national event. Even when I was beginning I knew rules were rules and the club was preparing for the big show. | |
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