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09-13-2014, 06:56 PM | #1 |
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| Vaterra Ascender Battery Mount
Has anyone looked at the new Vaterra Ascender battery mounting system? I received a media version of the truck last week and it has a very interesting system. Something I haven't really seen before. The tray is hinged, the rear of the tray is mounted just in front of the transmission and the front of the tray is mounted off of the front axle. I can get some pictures posted in here if you guys are not familiar with it. The concern is that the battery is, in a way, axle mounted. Thoughts? |
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09-13-2014, 07:04 PM | #2 |
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| Re: Vaterra Ascender Battery Mount
While it is on the axle, the battery is also not solidly mounted to it. Looking at the rig, it is still scale and there isn't a big battery hanging off the axle. I would say that it meets the scale intentions in a unique way. Outlawing it just because it is in a grey area would be a bad idea unless you want to discourage manufactures. It's really nice to see completely new solid axle kits on the market, and it will also be a great kit to build for a scale event.
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09-13-2014, 09:00 PM | #3 |
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I also think it meets the spirit of the class, and I hate when rules limit a stock truck. Especially this truck that is very scale in the end. It definitely needs to be addressed by the rules committee though as by the letter of the law, it would appear to be in conflict. |
09-13-2014, 09:10 PM | #4 |
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In my wiggle speak, the battery tray is chassis mounted with a retainer on the axle. The tray could be easily removed from the axle point and still be usable, but not from the chassis point as far as I can see. In those terms, the rules are good as-is. But maybe a bit of clarification would be good since there will be PLENTY of these showing up at events.
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09-13-2014, 09:17 PM | #5 | |
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09-13-2014, 09:18 PM | #6 |
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| Re: Vaterra Ascender Battery Mount
Would you agree that the chassis mount is the structural side that wouldn't be easy to relocate?
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09-13-2014, 09:45 PM | #7 | |
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I think the idea is super cool, I just want to make sure that it's given an official blessing and the rule wording is looked at/modified to allow such a thing. | |
09-13-2014, 09:48 PM | #8 |
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It's more than 50% chassis, case closed Good thinking to bring it up now. I'm sure they will find a way to word things around it. |
09-13-2014, 11:28 PM | #9 |
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| Re: Vaterra Ascender Battery Mount I guess I should have taken a quick look at the rules before making my comment in regards to the battery mount. My mistake. It isn't legal since it is not chassis mounted. I still think it's a slick design though. I don't see an issue with it as long as the battery is not in plain view.(on the local level) I agree it is a very clevor design and I would assume that they were paying some attention to the rules when designing the rig which makes me very happy. Side note: I was considering the Ascender for a class 1 until I saw your build thread Harley...the rig is huge! I think it'll probably look rediculous with C1 legal tires mounted to it. If you've got some I'd like to see a pic. Last edited by bmuzz1; 09-14-2014 at 11:37 AM. |
09-14-2014, 03:42 AM | #10 |
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| Re: Vaterra Ascender Battery Mount
[QUOTE=bmuzz1;4893538Side note: I was considering the Ascender for a class 1 until I saw your build thread Harley...the rig is huge! I think it'll probably look rediculous with C1 legal tires mounted to it. If you've got some I'd like to see a pic.[/QUOTE] A class one legal 4.19" tyre would scale up to the Ascender as being almost a 38" tire. Not really a tiny tyre under a real K5. It's just that in the rc world we have gotten used to the over sized tyres. Under a truly 1/10th scale rig a 1.9 PitBull Rock Beast is a 44" tyre on a 19" wheel. Under a tamiya F350 which is closer to 1/12th scale it is a 53" tyre on a 22" wheel. Here is a K5 with 37" tyres. |
09-14-2014, 09:27 AM | #11 |
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| Re: Vaterra Ascender Battery Mount
Doesn't this open the door for other "unique" battery mounting methods. I can see guys like MG200 and myself manipulating this on future builds. The wheels are already turning..... So if you have two mounting points on the chassis and one on the axle its ok? What if that one mounting point on the axle support more than 50% of the batteries weight? Sorry to bag on the Ascender, its a really cool rig, but I don't see how this is legal for scale competition. Looks like the front axle mount could be disconnected and the battery tray just zip tied off to the frame as a quick fix. After thinking about this a bit more, what they have going on here would be similar to mounting the battery to the top of a upper Y link....two points at the chassis and one at the axle. No way you can get away with that even if its hidden and scale looking. |
09-14-2014, 10:18 AM | #12 | |
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Sam, without throwing you and Trenton under the bus right away, you guys were exactly who I was thinking about. Pushing the rules is part of it for lots of guys, and I understand that. This is one of those things that I was worried about leaving just that little crack in the rules and allowing guys to pry it open and start walking through it. Making it the new norm. I really like this mount, it's freaking slick! But as Sam said, it is exactly like mounting the battery to the upper links in function. I also agree there are easy quick fixes for guys who want to compete at a national level (meaning, let guys roll with this on a local level at your clubs discretion). | |
09-14-2014, 10:21 AM | #13 | |
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09-14-2014, 11:17 AM | #14 |
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| Re: Vaterra Ascender Battery Mount I am embarrassed to say I was mistaken in my earlier comment regarding the placement of the Ascender battery being okay. The rules clearly state that the battery needs to be chassis mounted. I should know this but obviously don't have all the rules memorized. My bad! As for the C1 tires vs body size, it looks to me that the body is slightly bigger then 1/10th scale and maybe closer to 1/9th or 1/8th, Is that correct Harley? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by bmuzz1; 09-14-2014 at 11:51 AM. |
09-14-2014, 11:56 AM | #15 | |
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09-14-2014, 01:14 PM | #16 |
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Quick clip of the battery mount. |
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09-14-2014, 06:54 PM | #18 | |
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09-14-2014, 07:29 PM | #19 | |
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Looks like a good topic for the scale rules guys to throw around | |
09-14-2014, 08:38 PM | #20 |
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| Re: Vaterra Ascender Battery Mount
Where exactly is this grey area you guys are seeing?
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