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[neonfreak]

Hello!
Do you know any changes for 2016 yet?

thank you in advance!
"Austrian" Chris

[boob dude]

Originally Posted by neonfreak

Hello!
Do you know any changes for 2016 yet?

thank you in advance!
"Austrian" Chris

Yes there will be some new rules, but more clarification of the rules than rule changes. Nothing will be posted until after the first of the year

[SteveC6R]

Hey guys, my local club is using SORRCA rules this year and I usually do the tech for the club. I need some help on exo cages and what they're points are. On page 10 there was a post that stated the stock Axial G6 cage is worth 2 points, does that mean a metal BGR cage is worth 6 points? I thought the points were based on rows of seats but if the G6 cage is worth 2 that's where I'm getting thrown off.

Also take a look at this exo cage on one of the clubs members rig. Its a custom build, has two rows of seats...what's the exo cage worth point wise?

[hotwheels000]

Quote from the rules....

Interior cage or exo-cage:*-3 metal, -1 plastic per row of seats or area where seats would be (vehicle doesn't need an interior to get these points). Cage must have down bars and cross bars in front and behind each row. Not available to tubers.
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Interior and exo are treated the same, seats not required to receive the points.

Unfortunatly the truck pictured would receive 1 row points only due to the fact it does nkt have the needed cross and down bars to qualify for more.

If I was teching it at a local level I would ask for a concensus of the mebers to give at least 2 row points due to the shear amount of tube work involved. National level.... it would need to meet the rules as written.

Thats my take

[Big Daddy]

Edit, missed the down/ cross bar part but I'd be inclined to give it two rows. But there are a few for the grill guard/stinger, roll bar and sliders as well.


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[SteveC6R]

Thanks guys.

One more thing for clarification, is the stock Axial G6 cage worth -2 points? And if that's correct I'd assume the stock Axial JK cage is worth -3 points?

[Crawls all]

What about an event with crawlers pulling scale trailers thru gates.... Points could be given on 1 2 or 3 axles and additional points for scale items.. Reverse is OK it will make a jack knife more likely.. What do you think

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[josh6575]

If I run a center differential with an E-brake to the rear wheels is that class 2 legal? Ratio never changes. All stock vehicles have E-brakes. Always a way around overly technical wording.

[Big Daddy]

That's dig. Making up new terms doesn't make it any less dig than it was when you called it having dig.


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[baconbits]

Would this be considered integrated shock mounts? Just courious.

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[jmz6]

Rules say they need to be metal and brazed/welded to chassis.


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[GiJoe]

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that aftermarket metal shock hoops could count as points. Whether they were integrated into the frame, welded, brazed or bolted.

They were allowed points because they raised the center of gravity and was detrimental to performance.

I'll have to dig it up, but I swear it was discussed in this 2015 thread.

[GiJoe]

I guess it was never settled...

There was a huge debate back on pages 18-20

About tube, solid, plate, welded, bolted, etc.

[winnerone23]

I like how it is.. Welded or brazed.. It's the, Extra Effort, that gets the points...
No effort, into bolting on metal shock hoops or buying chassis rails with them integrated in.. IMO..

[baconbits]

Originally Posted by winnerone23

I like how it is.. Welded or brazed.. It's the, Extra Effort, that gets the points...
No effort, into bolting on metal shock hoops or buying chassis rails with them integrated in.. IMO..

So when I say I cut these frame rails myself. And designed then myself. Would you consider that extra effort enough? These were built not bought.

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[winnerone23]

Originally Posted by baconbits

So when I say I cut these frame rails myself. And designed then myself. Would you consider that extra effort enough? These were built not bought.

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My post specifically said.. Buying..

But, knowing the rules, as they are/where stated/written.. Designing and cutting your rails, IMO, was for a performance gain? (Or why would you do it.. Cause I doubt you put the Effort in, for a couple points)
Therefore, knowingly forfeiting the points.

EDIT:.. Above statement is for a metal chassis rail, will the shock hoop integrated into it..

Baconbits... Your shocks and parts are bolted on..
You did a great job designing it!

[baconbits]

Originally Posted by winnerone23

My post specifically said.. Buying..

But, knowing the rules, as they are/where stated/written.. Designing and cutting your rails, IMO, was for a performance gain? (Or why would you do it.. Cause I doubt you put the Effort in, for a couple points)
Therefore, knowingly forfeiting the points.

EDIT:.. Above statement is for a metal chassis rail, will the shock hoop integrated into it..

Baconbits... Your shocks and parts are bolted on..
You did a great job designing it!

In your previous reply you stated it was about effort and time put in.... so either it is, or it isnt... you can't Say "points awarded for extra effort" then say your effort was performance minded so you don't count...


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[winnerone23]

Originally Posted by baconbits

In your previous reply you stated it was about effort and time put in.... so either it is, or it isnt... you can't Say "points awarded for extra effort" then say your effort was performance minded so you don't count...


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I see now, why the rules committee gets headache's..

Great job, Rules committee!!!

OK, I'll S P E L L I T O U T......
Extra points are for the extra effort, of welding or brazing, METAL shock hoops to the chassis..... That's the points you get...

No points for a: home brew mounting plate, to bolt a cantilever setup too..

Just like, IMO, there shouldn't be any points for metal or CF chassis rails with integrated bends/cuts, for mounting the shocks too...
They are Bends, not Hoops..

[baconbits]

Originally Posted by winnerone23

I see now, why the rules committee gets headache's..

Great job, Rules committee!!!

OK, I'll S P E L L I T O U T......
Extra points are for the extra effort, of welding or brazing, METAL shock hoops to the chassis..... That's the points you get...

No points for a: home brew mounting plate, to bolt a cantilever setup too..

Just like, IMO, there shouldn't be any points for metal or CF chassis rails with integrated bends/cuts, for mounting the shocks too...
They are Bends, not Hoops..

Thank you for a clear and precise answer. "Thumbsup"

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[GiJoe]

Originally Posted by winnerone23

I see now, why the rules committee gets headache's..

Great job, Rules committee!!!

OK, I'll S P E L L I T O U T......
Extra points are for the extra effort, of welding or brazing, METAL shock hoops to the chassis..... That's the points you get...

No points for a: home brew mounting plate, to bolt a cantilever setup too..

Just like, IMO, there shouldn't be any points for metal or CF chassis rails with integrated bends/cuts, for mounting the shocks too...
They are Bends, not Hoops..

Are you a member of the rules committee?
Or just having fun pressing your opinion and flaming a perceived newb?

Whether it counts for points or not, I can see the legitimacy of the question.

If you go back and read the discussions I mentioned on pages 18-20, the answer is not clear.

Rules say tube. SORRCA obviously has no issue with plate. So why wouldn't this set-up at least be considered?

IMO, I don't see the dinky cantilever system as a performance upgrade. Its a means to fit a drop bed or interior.


One look at this guys fabricating skills shows monumental effort on his part to create a custom build.


Baconbits, my gut is telling me the SC will not award points for this due to the current verbage in the rules.

I would suggest adding a lightweight set of scale limiting straps and grab the -1 from the functional scale items category.