2017 Scale Rules

[josh6575]

Originally Posted by Scrap

Two rows.

No down bars between the rear seat rows.

The seats are oriented on the sides. Each set has down bars behind them. 3 double sets of seats.

[Scrap]

"Cage must have down bars and cross bars in front and behind each row."

That cage does not have down bars or actually cross bars in front and behind each row of seats.

It was discussed at length in one of these rule threads that you get the points from the cage and not the seats it covers.

This is NOT a four row cage.

[EDGE]

Originally Posted by Scrap

"Cage must have down bars and cross bars in front and behind each row."

That cage does not have down bars or actually cross bars in front and behind each row of seats.

It was discussed at length in one of these rule threads that you get the points from the cage and not the seats it covers.

This is NOT a four row cage.

So this would be then right?

[maxbonv]

According to the rules,
Driver/Passenger 3D, if they are realistic, well painted and if they meet the measure of Regulation minimum height, they receive -8 point.

There are limitations of minimum weight, or can we use special construction techniques to make them very lightweight?

Thanks for your answers

[Jeepy84]

I would like to make a 2018 proposal, when can we air those?

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[boob dude]

Originally Posted by Jeepy84

I would like to make a 2018 proposal, when can we air those?

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If you want something proposed to the committee bringing it up sooner than later, you will have a better chance of getting it on the agenda if we think it need to be addressed.

[boob dude]

Originally Posted by maxbonv

According to the rules,
Driver/Passenger 3D, if they are realistic, well painted and if they meet the measure of Regulation minimum height, they receive -8 point.

There are limitations of minimum weight, or can we use special construction techniques to make them very lightweight?

Thanks for your answers

No minimum weight just height of figure.

[Jeepy84]

Originally Posted by boob dude

If you want something proposed to the committee bringing it up sooner than later, you will have a better chance of getting it on the agenda if we think it need to be addressed.

Fair enough. I propose a serious discussion needs to be had either about the wording or the application of the current wording to the Class 1 rules.

I'm sure the committee is well aware of line item #5 of the rules for this class, that:

"The vehicle's body must mostly be intact. Only mild trimming is allowed... (no extreme trimming of bodies allowed* See below)"

Followed by:

#10 "Sectioning... is not allowed"

And:

#11 "Bobbing a truck bed IS allowed" emphasis my own.

That means that doing a cut and fold on the rear fender of an SUV relegates it to Class 2

Example of how the mod is done on a 1:1, remove below the red, cut the vertical blue lines, and fold and secure. I'm a novice but am capable of doing this mod with an angle grinder in about half and hour per side.

Meanwhile, a bed bob is Class 1 legal. Literally removing the tail of the vehicle, cutting a section out, and welding it back together. Even an expert body man will take the better part of a day to do this modification correctly.

I feel inclined to include a back story to explain why this issue is near enough to my heart that I feel it is necessary to address it.

Though I never met him in person, Todd Snyder was by all accounts a great person. He cared deeply about his deceased son, and was always ready to lend a hand to anyone who asked for help, whether it be with Jeeps, computers, or any other task. He helped me learn 3d model editing and was always a voice of wisdom on the phone when it came to building my first 1:1 XJ.

He posted this picture to his Facebook three days before he was killed in that Jeep in a hit and run where he was side swiped and rolled upside down into a muddy water-logged ditch.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nam...view=guestbook

Since the day I found out, I have wanted to make a memorial tribute , first as a computer game model that he had used the base for one of his own creations

Now that I've moved on from videogames to RC, I want to build his Jeep again, but it would be unfair to make it a shelf queen. He wheeled the snot out of his Jeep. But under the current rule interpretations, there is no way a hardbody XJ with these mods, C1 size tires, full width bumpers, etc. could possibly be competitive in C2

So let's have a discussion about what constitutes "body trimming" shall we?




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[Scrap]

Originally Posted by EDGE

So this would be then right?

According to the rules, yes. Just as long as you have crossbars between the seat rows.

On the cut and fold:
That should be counted as a minor body mod. And as such allowed in C1. Don't know why it isn't.

[Jeepy84]

Originally Posted by Jeepy84

Trying figure out if building a tribute replica as a C1 comp truck is going to work, or is the slight fender trim going to push this Jeep into C2, where it'll have a heckuva time being competitive with the huge front bumper. Yes, I could change things but I want to be faithful as possible to my friend's original.



Leaving the flares off the hardbody should get me pretty close to this cut he did on the front fenders.



Cut n Fold rear quarter panels



He did run without the Cut N Fold if that's the qualifier for C2 territory.

Thanks in advance for any committee member answers.

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Originally Posted by R2j

You can remove the flares, just mind the tire coverage and wheel well opening.

Originally Posted by Jeepy84

So cut n Fold is out

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Originally Posted by R2j

Correct, you can't modify like that in C1.

Yeah, I don't know why either. Back then I didn't think about comparing it to bobbing a bed.

[Gumbo]

I have a doubt regarding reverse penalties and course direction penalties.

Going through a gate in reverse, still in the intended course direction - like when you turn your rig before a gate and go through it in reverse because you think this somehow makes it easier.
Will this result in a reverse penalty (1pt) or in a course direction penalty (10 pt) ?

So far we always applied a reverse penalty in our club, but a guy from a different area says this should call for a reverse course penalty...

[boob dude]

Originally Posted by Gumbo

I have a doubt regarding reverse penalties and course direction penalties.

Going through a gate in reverse, still in the intended course direction - like when you turn your rig before a gate and go through it in reverse because you think this somehow makes it easier.
Will this result in a reverse penalty (1pt) or in a course direction penalty (10 pt) ?

So far we always applied a reverse penalty in our club, but a guy from a different area says this should call for a reverse course penalty...

It is only a reverse penalty, as long as you are going through the gate in it's intended direction. It doesn't matter what end of the vehicle goes through first.

[binaryterror]

Ok here is a question. Would love to have the SORRCA rule makers thoughts.

Rule in question: • No bolt on or stick on external axle or knuckle weights of any kind

Would a Traxxas TRX-4 having a outer portal cover (this is not the knuckle, but touches it in a sense) made of Brass be allowable?

[EDGE]

Brass knuckles are already legal. Why would this be any different?

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by binaryterror

Ok here is a question. Would love to have the SORRCA rule makers thoughts.

Rule in question: • No bolt on or stick on external axle or knuckle weights of any kind

Would a Traxxas TRX-4 having a outer portal cover (this is not the knuckle, but touches it in a sense) made of Brass be allowable?

Originally Posted by EDGE

Brass knuckles are already legal. Why would this be any different?

Yup and yup.

[binaryterror]

Originally Posted by EDGE

Brass knuckles are already legal. Why would this be any different?

It doesn't say it, so I just wanted to checked.

Originally Posted by Highmark

Yup and yup.

[Magnum_Motorsport]

Hello and compliments for the rules, are very well done.
I have a question about the points assigned to the "pickup" body.
They are both as a weight and as a overturn momentum, a midway between a "full" body and a "cab" body. So, following the 2017 rule general logic (the greater the weight (body material, accessories, accessories material etc.) and the more points are, the points assigned should be as per image. In Italy, however, pickups are competing not only with the same points as full body cars (12), but with even three more points, 15 overall, which has no engineering or physics logic. Please could you tell me what are te correct points for pickup body and why? If 15 points are the correct rule interpretation, could you consider for 2018 to change it folowing a phisic logic and explaining the "pickup" category on the rule to avoid any misunderstanding? Thank you.

[devilman_76]

is it a legal flatbed for class 1?





thanks for answer.

[Jeepy84]

Not committee, but at our local tech table that'd be C2. Looks sweet though.

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[Scrap]

Might even be C3. Depends on how much narrower the rear of the flatbed is compared to the widest point of the cab.