2018 Scale Rules I have noticed the changes in red for the 2017 scale rules, guessing these are the changes that will be in the 2018 rule book... • No bolt on or stick on external axle or knuckle weights of any kind. - Does this include portal weights on the TRX4? Custom Bodies. - There are a few people that have made custom bodies out of wood, why wouldn't these get scale points as well? |
Re: 2018 Scale Rules Widen the minimum gate width for C3. Allow dig in C2. Please. |
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We've discussed the wood thing before - the take away was that if it looks like a production body its fine, but if it's some balsa sheet glued together it's a no-go. |
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I believe we voted against incorporating dig in C2. |
Re: 2018 Scale Rules Yeah, that's why I used the word "minimum" in my request. It's been my experience that a lot of course designers walk around with a measuring stick and set most of the gates at "minimum." The ratio of gate width vs. C1, 2, &3 truck width is not proportioned properly and it should be revised for C3. Dig units are gaining popularity and most 1:1 trucks that fit within C2 rules have twin stick dig capability. Dig is scale. Do the right thing. |
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A basic scx10 with od/ud gears and xr10 steering mod turns pretty damn tightly. If you can't get through a course with that then you aren't even trying. Build a narrower C3 rig. The scx10 axles and 2.2 wheels fit together nicely. Besides I've seen many C3 rigs that don't have a dig. You are clearly trying to make this easier for you. Here's some news for you: This is not supposed to be easy. This is a competition about who can build the best vehicle and get it throught a course with the minimum amount of penalties. 1:1 and SORRCA don' t follow each other very closely. There are plenty of MOA vehicles in the 1:1 world which are not allowed in comps. There are vehicles that can accelerate and brake each wheel independently. Some high end european family saloons can do this so why can't we have it in SORRCA? Braking wheels independently (as in ABS) has been around like forever. Besides there are a multitude of 1:1 inventions that are not allowed in 1:1 comps. |
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Do the math. 14" minimum gate width for C3 is really just common sense. |
Re: 2018 Scale Rules I suggest you check competition in your dictionary. These are rules for competitions and there are plenty of 1/1 off road competition classes in which a dig is not allowed. There are even classes where you are not allowed to winch. Were you in a comp with your 1/1? Besides it has been said countless times that you can make local changes to the rules if you want. Why not start running comps with your digs? I know people who don't want dig in C2 so there. C3 is supposed to be the ultimate scale crawling class. So it should to be hard to make a vehicle for it and even harder to make it through the course. But if you want wider gates then participate in making the courses. I personally like variety in courses and mixing wide gates with narrow ones is one way to get it. Nothing greater then the feeling you get when you nail the line just right and get through that supernarrow gate. On the other hand it's nice to let the roc412 and 4S do their job from time to time. |
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With that, if you really don't like how the C-3 courses are set up at your local comps, show up early and assist with setting them up. After a couple of comps they'll likely toss you the bag of markers and chalk, and have you set them up yourself. As far as general rules go, you have to draw the line in the sand somewhere, and if you want to compete you have to conform to the standards that are set. Civil discussion is always good on where to move that line, but it does need to be drawn somewhere. For me, I think the scale points are silly, and weight too much into the overall scores. If it were up to me, there would a maximum of 20 scale points total for the comp, that gets calculated into your final course scores. JMHO... :roll: |
Re: 2018 Scale Rules Class 1 - Details: • Vehicle must utilize a Chassis Mounted Steering (CMS) setup. • Vehicle must have a windshield that fills the entire windshield frame. • Full width bumpers are required on the front and rear of the vehicle. Bumpers that are molded into thebody qualify. A rear bumper is not required on a flatbed, but adding one to the flatbed will gain the additional scale points. (Bumpers are measured from the outsides and must be the width of your windshield). • Wheels must be aligned within the body wheel wells (center of wheels to center of wheel wells +/- 1/2 inch total combined) • The vehicles body must be mostly intact. Only mild trimming is allowed, such as removing: flairs, trim, molding & a hardtop. If the hardtop is removed, a full interior is required (no extreme trimming of bodies allowed *See below.) • Bodies should be mounted in a realistic position in relation to the chassis (like a 1:1 would be). • Any removal of material from behind the front wheel well (except trim/molding) is considered a boat side. • Boat sides are not allowed. • Dovetailing is not allowed. • Sectioning or narrowing of the body is not allowed. • Bobbing a truck bed is allowed, but must follow all body specs. • Sliders must run parallel to the factory rocker bottom. • The tread of the tires cannot extend outside of the wheel wells more then 1/2 of the tread width, flairs canbe added to reach min. spec. • Vehicle must run a full length rail chassis (The rail chassis must be as long as the vehicleswheelbase)(Tamiya CC-01 chassis are allowed). • *For 2018, you will be required to run a metal rail chassis AND parallel skid plate in class 1. • Truggies are not allowed, flatbeds with full length rail chassis are allowed. The bed must be as wide as the cab the entire length of the bed. Cab only not allowed. • Tires can never extend beyond the body’s bumpers or the rear of any truck bed. (Any stingers,fairleads, shackles, bolts, etc. are not considered part of a bumper when determining this.) • 106mm / 4.19" Max tire size including spares. • Gates will be a minimum of 11" wide (so mind your width). I'm sorry having to ask this, but I'm trying to get back to the scale crawlers from a long period out of the hobby altogether and I'm looking forward, now that I live somewhere with a lively scale crawler crowd, to get into competition, so I don't understand some of these in-house terms used in the rules. 1- What are sliders? 2- What are Parallel Skid Plates? 3-Does a Gelande 2 D90 fits into the Metal Rail Chassis description? 4- Btw, what is a Dig that everybody's talking about? 5- Is the RC4WD MTZ 4.19 considered a class 1 tire? Cheers |
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1. Sliders are tube or plate that protect the rocker panel (bottom of the door) of the vehicle. 2. Most vehicles are fine - the rule is regarding frames like the one on my bug, notice how the frame rail and skid plate slope down at the front and the body doesn't? That's what's illegal now in C1. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4155/...7e584615_b.jpg 3. Yes. 4. Dig disengages the rear axles so it can either roll freely, or locks it so that the wheels don't turn enabling you to make tighter turns. 5. If a tire is listed as 4.19" or lower it's legal for C1. |
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Re: 2018 Scale Rules you guys are screwing the pooch telling people on fb that one-off 3d printed hardbodies arent worthy of custom points. mass produced i understand, but a guy designing a body in cad is just as worthy as a guy doing it with sheet styrene and glue. "Official response: As the rule stands, a 3d printed body will receive hardbody points, but not custom built points. Custom built points are for a hardbody built from scratch such as styrene sheet." :roll: |
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One gets extra points one doesn't, either way I had nothing to do with the construction. |
Re: 2018 Scale Rules Perhaps we just do away with custom points altogether....that would solve all the problems. |
Re: 2018 Scale Rules with the boost hardbody points has already got, maybe getting rid of custom hardbody points all-together will clean up things a bit and give one less thing for people to get hung up on. im stalled out in regards to comping anyway, but just happened to see the fb post and came here to talk shit since fb seems to be somewhat a safe space. :flipoff: |
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Nah they pissed enough people off that there is now an "official" SORRCA fb page inhabited by rebels. :lmao: Besides that they direct people to RCC in the about group section for rule discussion. |
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-25 posts about what the definition of a fart is each with widely inaccurate and misleading interpretations of things that have nothing to do with farts. -30 posts about how XJ's coil suspensions 'technically' fit under the definition of a fart because someone's cousin used to wheel one and logged into Pirate a few times and why it's RIDICULOUS they don't get scale points for it. -A side conversation about someone's flex-friday redcat post waxing lyrically how dumb scale points and winches are and how they'll never compete because they're too cool for that. - 2-5 posts that actual pertain to the topic at hand and might actually be useful. In short - Facebook is stupid, and people act like teenage girls on there. |
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That page and SORRCA by association as a serious optics problem. |
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Where is the balance between rewarding people who make the extra effort and the whole mess getting out of hand? I still think 20 points max, and that gets calculated to someone's overall score. Of course, I miss the simplicity of comp crawling, just make sure the WB is within spec and go... |
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Funny thing is 98% of the people that post Sorrca sucks or they have to many rules, have never competed and never will but think that they could beat the over all National champ without breaking a sweat. And yes Jon farts stink and so does FACEBOOK. |
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Touche my friend! FB is a big waste of time! |
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FB is a business card, people are not going to find any given page, ignore the duechbagger occurring and assume it isn't representative of the people involved in the page. It really doen't matter what the truth is, it only matter what is perceived. Just an FYI, I have a friend that is a fishing guide who's only advertising presence is participating in several fishing FB groups. It is a side job for him, however he makes really good money from it, and turns away business. Just hanging out on FB makes him $450.00 a trip 60-80 days a year. Before FB when I guided I spent weeks going to fishing shows, running a web forum and writing for magazines to get the customer base he has. |
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Thats all fair and well in some cases but I still prefer human interaction, business hand shakes, face to face and phone calls etc... Facebook just allows for low integrity, ignorance and people no longer having meaningful face to face conversation. Also, I agree with what's said above, most people complaining about SORRCA and events (which are a blast) through FB have never attended an event, but because of FB it gives our fierce "keyboard warriors" the opportunity to be ignorant. Just like every other thread in this damn forum now has turned into the same 6 or 8 morons arguing about the same ol crap. Gotta love our fierce warriors defending us from evil empires like SORRCA, Axial, HPI ETC.... |
Re: 2018 Scale Rules So im new to RCing and such but it seems like a lot of people dislike sorrca. I mean I dont like the fact that if one guy spent more time building his rig he could drive worse and still win but my big question is though. Why doesn't the community get together to replace it? |
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That being said, I wish there was less emphasis on all the scale parts, and more on the driving. Im seriously considering a shafty for next year as well. Maybe I can get enough people interested to organize a comp. Who knows. What I do know is I just want to have fun with my toy trucks. |
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Re: 2018 Scale Rules Class 1 - Details: • Truggies are not allowed, flatbeds with full length rail chassis are allowed. The bed must be as wide as the cab the entire length of the bed. Cab only not allowed. I have a question on this rule, and I couldn't find an answer in a search of here. As I understand it, an Axial SCX10/II Honcho is considered a truggie, correct? and this is because it doesn't have a full on pickup style bed, right? Would adding the Dinky RC Honcho Bedside kit change it from a truggie and into a legal Class 1 since it would look like a pickup bed with a roll cage? https://www.dinkyrc.com/collections/...nt=14053341574 |
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Once you start attending comps, you'll quickly realise the FB drama is completely unfounded and silly. The people, camraderie and smiles is addicting. You will be absolutely hooked. Addressing your quote above, the "Scale Parts" and looks are what this is all about. The competetition is every bit as fierce as "Shafty Comp Crawling", but with a whole new dimension. Embrace it, don't fight it. The emphasis on driving is there. You will quickly learn 3 things about the Top Drivers at any SORRCA Comp: 1. They are MASTERS at reading terrain, strategizing and making split second decisions. 2. Their vehicles perform at the highest levels 100% of the time. 3. They are MAXED OUT on scale points. Its ALL part of the game if you want to be at the top. And its a fun game to play! ;-) |
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If the framerails are fully intact (front to back), then its considered a tube bed and perfectly legal as long as all other dimensions/requirements are met. |
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I think the Honcho still uses full length rails, and the Honcho cage/bed bolts to the cab and sits on top of the rails. |
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Re: 2018 Scale Rules Hello quick question about boat sides. It says under class one any trimming behind the front tire is considered a boat side. Is this also true for class 2? Because I've already trimmed my fenders out and would like to pinch both the front and the back. Also going to bob the bed. Any input would be awesome. Thanks. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk |
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