2018 Scale Rules

[Greatscott]

I have noticed the changes in red for the 2017 scale rules, guessing these are the changes that will be in the 2018 rule book...

• No bolt on or stick on external axle or knuckle weights of any kind.
- Does this include portal weights on the TRX4?

Custom Bodies.
- There are a few people that have made custom bodies out of wood, why wouldn't these get scale points as well?

[youngblood]

Widen the minimum gate width for C3.

Allow dig in C2.

Please.

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by Greatscott

I have noticed the changes in red for the 2017 scale rules, guessing these are the changes that will be in the 2018 rule book...

• No bolt on or stick on external axle or knuckle weights of any kind.
- Does this include portal weights on the TRX4?

Custom Bodies.
- There are a few people that have made custom bodies out of wood, why wouldn't these get scale points as well?

The heavy portal covers are fine - same deal as heavy knuckles.

We've discussed the wood thing before - the take away was that if it looks like a production body its fine, but if it's some balsa sheet glued together it's a no-go.

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by youngblood

Widen the minimum gate width for C3.

Allow dig in C2.

Please.

The gate defined in the rules is the minimum - course builders can make wider gates.

I believe we voted against incorporating dig in C2.

[youngblood]

Yeah, that's why I used the word "minimum" in my request. It's been my experience that a lot of course designers walk around with a measuring stick and set most of the gates at "minimum." The ratio of gate width vs. C1, 2, &3 truck width is not proportioned properly and it should be revised for C3.

Dig units are gaining popularity and most 1:1 trucks that fit within C2 rules have twin stick dig capability. Dig is scale.

Do the right thing.

[Greatscott]

Originally Posted by Highmark

The heavy portal covers are fine - same deal as heavy knuckles.

We've discussed the wood thing before - the take away was that if it looks like a production body its fine, but if it's some balsa sheet glued together it's a no-go.

Awesome, thanks!!!

[Scrap]

Originally Posted by youngblood

Yeah, that's why I used the word "minimum" in my request. It's been my experience that a lot of course designers walk around with a measuring stick and set most of the gates at "minimum." The ratio of gate width vs. C1, 2, &3 truck width is not proportioned properly and it should be revised for C3.

Dig units are gaining popularity and most 1:1 trucks that fit within C2 rules have twin stick dig capability. Dig is scale.

Do the right thing.

Three nasty words from me to you: Learn to drive.

A basic scx10 with od/ud gears and xr10 steering mod turns pretty damn tightly. If you can't get through a course with that then you aren't even trying.

Build a narrower C3 rig. The scx10 axles and 2.2 wheels fit together nicely. Besides I've seen many C3 rigs that don't have a dig.

You are clearly trying to make this easier for you. Here's some news for you: This is not supposed to be easy. This is a competition about who can build the best vehicle and get it throught a course with the minimum amount of penalties.

1:1 and SORRCA don' t follow each other very closely. There are plenty of MOA vehicles in the 1:1 world which are not allowed in comps. There are vehicles that can accelerate and brake each wheel independently. Some high end european family saloons can do this so why can't we have it in SORRCA? Braking wheels independently (as in ABS) has been around like forever.

Besides there are a multitude of 1:1 inventions that are not allowed in 1:1 comps.

[youngblood]

Originally Posted by Scrap

1:1 and SORRCA don' t follow each other very closely.

Maybe there is an issue with translation to English and you don't understand the definition of "scale" . I used the dig function in my my street legal 1:1 Jeep last weekend. Put up a poll and let us vote on this.
The people want dig in C2.

Learn to drive.

I typically do very well in C3 thank you. I want the gates opened for the average drivers that I often see struggle getting their AR60 based trucks through gates that have less than 1" to spare.

Do the math. 14" minimum gate width for C3 is really just common sense.

[Scrap]

I suggest you check competition in your dictionary.

These are rules for competitions and there are plenty of 1/1 off road competition classes in which a dig is not allowed. There are even classes where you are not allowed to winch.

Were you in a comp with your 1/1?

Besides it has been said countless times that you can make local changes to the rules if you want. Why not start running comps with your digs?

I know people who don't want dig in C2 so there.

C3 is supposed to be the ultimate scale crawling class. So it should to be hard to make a vehicle for it and even harder to make it through the course. But if you want wider gates then participate in making the courses.

I personally like variety in courses and mixing wide gates with narrow ones is one way to get it. Nothing greater then the feeling you get when you nail the line just right and get through that supernarrow gate. On the other hand it's nice to let the roc412 and 4S do their job from time to time.

[Greatscott]

Originally Posted by youngblood

Maybe there is an issue with translation to English and you don't understand the definition of "scale" . I used the dig function in my my street legal 1:1 Jeep last weekend. Put up a poll and let us vote on this.
The people want dig in C2.



I typically do very well in C3 thank you. I want the gates opened for the average drivers that I often see struggle getting their AR60 based trucks through gates that have less than 1" to spare.

Do the math. 14" minimum gate width for C3 is really just common sense.

I build most of the C-3 courses for my club, and they are meant to be challenging. With that, I try to make gate 1 - 5 a bit easier to give newer drivers some progress and allow them to build confidence in themselves and their rigs. I find it very annoy to get punched in the face right out of the starting gate. After gate 5 I get more diabolical, and the gates get narrowed up a lot. The thing to keep in perspective is the need to keep in fun and interesting for both the new kids and the old salts, and striking the balance between the two is a big challenge. Also keeping in mind where you are and the members you have, local comps are not the Nationals, competition needs to be all inclusive, and if all courses and gates are always Nationals-difficult, the new guys are not going to come back.

With that, if you really don't like how the C-3 courses are set up at your local comps, show up early and assist with setting them up. After a couple of comps they'll likely toss you the bag of markers and chalk, and have you set them up yourself.

As far as general rules go, you have to draw the line in the sand somewhere, and if you want to compete you have to conform to the standards that are set. Civil discussion is always good on where to move that line, but it does need to be drawn somewhere. For me, I think the scale points are silly, and weight too much into the overall scores. If it were up to me, there would a maximum of 20 scale points total for the comp, that gets calculated into your final course scores.

JMHO...

[stormridersp]

Class 1 - Details:
• Vehicle must utilize a Chassis Mounted Steering (CMS) setup.
• Vehicle must have a windshield that fills the entire windshield frame.
• Full width bumpers are required on the front and rear of the vehicle. Bumpers that are molded into thebody
qualify. A rear bumper is not required on a flatbed, but adding one to the flatbed will gain the additional
scale points. (Bumpers are measured from the outsides and must be the width of your windshield).
• Wheels must be aligned within the body wheel wells (center of wheels to center of wheel wells +/- 1/2 inch
total combined)
• The vehicles body must be mostly intact. Only mild trimming is allowed, such as removing: flairs, trim,
molding & a hardtop. If the hardtop is removed, a full interior is required (no extreme trimming of bodies
allowed *See below.)
• Bodies should be mounted in a realistic position in relation to the chassis (like a 1:1 would be).
• Any removal of material from behind the front wheel well (except trim/molding) is considered a boat side.
• Boat sides are not allowed.
• Dovetailing is not allowed.
• Sectioning or narrowing of the body is not allowed.
• Bobbing a truck bed is allowed, but must follow all body specs.
• Sliders must run parallel to the factory rocker bottom.
• The tread of the tires cannot extend outside of the wheel wells more then 1/2 of the tread width, flairs canbe
added to reach min. spec.
• Vehicle must run a full length rail chassis (The rail chassis must be as long as the vehicleswheelbase)(Tamiya
CC-01 chassis are allowed).
• *For 2018, you will be required to run a metal rail chassis AND parallel skid plate in class 1.
• Truggies are not allowed, flatbeds with full length rail chassis are allowed. The bed must be as wide as the cab
the entire length of the bed. Cab only not allowed.
• Tires can never extend beyond the body’s bumpers or the rear of any truck bed. (Any stingers,fairleads,
shackles, bolts, etc. are not considered part of a bumper when determining this.)
• 106mm / 4.19" Max tire size including spares.
• Gates will be a minimum of 11" wide (so mind your width).

I'm sorry having to ask this, but I'm trying to get back to the scale crawlers from a long period out of the hobby altogether and I'm looking forward, now that I live somewhere with a lively scale crawler crowd, to get into competition, so I don't understand some of these in-house terms used in the rules.

1- What are sliders?
2- What are Parallel Skid Plates?
3-Does a Gelande 2 D90 fits into the Metal Rail Chassis description?
4- Btw, what is a Dig that everybody's talking about?
5- Is the RC4WD MTZ 4.19 considered a class 1 tire?


Cheers

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by stormridersp

I'm sorry having to ask this, but I'm trying to get back to the scale crawlers from a long period out of the hobby altogether and I'm looking forward, now that I live somewhere with a lively scale crawler crowd, to get into competition, so I don't understand some of these in-house terms used in the rules.

1- What are sliders?
2- What are Parallel Skid Plates?
3-Does a Gelande 2 D90 fits into the Metal Rail Chassis description?
4- Btw, what is a Dig that everybody's talking about?
5- Is the RC4WD MTZ 4.19 considered a class 1 tire?


Cheers

No problem - you have to learn somewhere!

1. Sliders are tube or plate that protect the rocker panel (bottom of the door) of the vehicle.
2. Most vehicles are fine - the rule is regarding frames like the one on my bug, notice how the frame rail and skid plate slope down at the front and the body doesn't? That's what's illegal now in C1.

3. Yes.
4. Dig disengages the rear axles so it can either roll freely, or locks it so that the wheels don't turn enabling you to make tighter turns.
5. If a tire is listed as 4.19" or lower it's legal for C1.

[stormridersp]

Thank you Highmark!

[badhoopty]

you guys are screwing the pooch telling people on fb that one-off 3d printed hardbodies arent worthy of custom points. mass produced i understand, but a guy designing a body in cad is just as worthy as a guy doing it with sheet styrene and glue.

"Official response: As the rule stands, a 3d printed body will receive hardbody points, but not custom built points. Custom built points are for a hardbody built from scratch such as styrene sheet."

[Ditchrat]

Originally Posted by badhoopty

you guys are screwing the pooch telling people on fb that one-off 3d printed hardbodies arent worthy of custom points. mass produced i understand, but a guy designing a body in cad is just as worthy as a guy doing it with sheet styrene and glue.

"Official response: As the rule stands, a 3d printed body will receive hardbody points, but not custom built points. Custom built points are for a hardbody built from scratch such as styrene sheet."

That whole rule/ruling is BS anyway. How is it any different if I buy a d90 body from a store or buy a hand build body from some guy off the internet?

One gets extra points one doesn't, either way I had nothing to do with the construction.

[War Pig]

Perhaps we just do away with custom points altogether....that would solve all the problems.

[badhoopty]

with the boost hardbody points has already got, maybe getting rid of custom hardbody points all-together will clean up things a bit and give one less thing for people to get hung up on.

im stalled out in regards to comping anyway, but just happened to see the fb post and came here to talk shit since fb seems to be somewhat a safe space.

[boob dude]

Originally Posted by War Pig

Perhaps we just do away with custom points altogether....that would solve all the problems.

I’m with ya Tim, and everyone gets -60 for just showing up.

[justinart24]

Originally Posted by War Pig

Perhaps we just do away with custom points altogether....that would solve all the problems.

Well, for the years I have been teching trucks at WARCRC events..... I can say I have never given points for a "custom" body. Not a bad idea Piggy.

[Ditchrat]

Originally Posted by badhoopty

with the boost hardbody points has already got, maybe getting rid of custom hardbody points all-together will clean up things a bit and give one less thing for people to get hung up on.

im stalled out in regards to comping anyway, but just happened to see the fb post and came here to talk shit since fb seems to be somewhat a safe space.

Nah they pissed enough people off that there is now an "official" SORRCA fb page inhabited by rebels.

Besides that they direct people to RCC in the about group section for rule discussion.