What do you suggest ? Berg on FXR or a Mamba mx

[BigBlackCummins]

Originally Posted by 666

That is the craziest thing I have ever heard, a Mamba got hot in a crawler? Which Mamba? I have pushed Mamba Maxs to the extreme and the only way I have gotten them hot was on a 60 mph Slash, or trying to get it to move a high speed E-Maxx. Never on a crawler, care to elaborate on your setup-something has got to be wrong.

Originally Posted by Reflection

I would have to agree with 666. I've beat the snot out of my Mamba Maxes....Big 30mmx25mm outrunner on 11 volts in a 15-16 pound super for a long time....2 seasons worth. Heat was NEVER an issue.

Not downing the FXR,they are a pretty good speed control. Saying a FXR will stay cool with a set up that a Mamba needs a fan....is crazy talk. Mamba 25 maybe.

I'm just telling you my experience! Without a fan, you will burn your fingers on the heat sink... The Berg is running a 3S with 35T HH motors, nothing out of the ordinary!
Before it was in the Berg I ran it on 4S in my converted REVO. Had to pull it out of the REVO because of the heat...
Maybe it needs to go back to Castle to be looked at.

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by BigBlackCummins

Before it was in the Berg I ran it on 4S in my converted REVO. Had to pull it out of the REVO because of the heat...

Since the Max has a 3 cell limit,I could see one getting warm under 4 cells....specially a basher. Thats not really the speed controls fault either.

A crawler is a bit different since the gearing is typically low and it's not wide open throttle all the time.

Did the time run on 4 cells ruin the ESC or create the heat issue?...Maybe.

[Kamikaze]

If you where running a 1/8th scale brushless with a Mamba max on 4 cells you where well over the limit for that esc....... Thats what the monster is for. Don't bash a product because you couldn't read the directions....

[666]

Originally Posted by BigBlackCummins

I'm just telling you my experience! Without a fan, you will burn your fingers on the heat sink... The Berg is running a 3S with 35T HH motors, nothing out of the ordinary!
Before it was in the Berg I ran it on 4S in my converted REVO. Had to pull it out of the REVO because of the heat...
Maybe it needs to go back to Castle to be looked at.

Operator error I would have to say.

[BigBlackCummins]

I'm not saying heat was the reason I swapped in a FX-R for my Mamba...
I swapped my Mamba out for the FX-R for motor brake reasons, that was it!

I'm not bashing Mambas, I run two of them on my Super and am completely happy with them.
And yes, there is a Monster in the REVO now.

I could try to defend myself, but why... Live and learn, right?!
Not suggesting I know it all!

toy4crawlin, sorry for mucking up your thread!

[PEE WEE]

I run the fxr in my comp rig and my scx10, the updated software is definetaly smoother for the throttle. Almost everyone I know is running one! But the new castle sounds pretty sweet!

[toy4crawlin]

Thanks you everyone for your Opinions, feedback , suggestions and such.

How can you update the firmware/software on the FXR ?

I really leaning towards FXR because of the direction of Dual ESC's and size and some day I'll build my 6ch 2.4 pistol to run them.


I saw a Brushless MOA in the Nationals Do they drag brake well ?

[dub599]

[QUOTE=toy4crawlin]ooowwh this is toughf to decide.
Wow a first I heard to stick with castle. I love there ESC's and customer support /QUOTE]

i dont know if you know this about the holmes hobbies xl-br but it is in a sidewinder case, comes with castle motor wires and and can be programmed with the castle link via castles programming.
the xl-br is great. im putting one in my berg right now

[jlast]

well max is 12 cell nimh, or over 12v ish never understood the 3s lipo limit unless it was a programming issue with the lipo cut or such. many on 4s, and have seen them on 8ths with fans

berg very low load on the motor so running 2 and the esc doesnt see the load of both at max.

lcc moa, load with worms MM is seeing temps


just curious but why did the sidewinder not make the list ?
several say they are on 4s with it as well as a option,

[toy4crawlin]

Originally Posted by jlast

well max is 12 cell nimh, or over 12v ish never understood the 3s lipo limit unless it was a programming issue with the lipo cut or such. many on 4s, and have seen them on 8ths with fans

berg very low load on the motor so running 2 and the esc doesnt see the load of both at max.

lcc moa, load with worms MM is seeing temps


just curious but why did the sidewinder not make the list ?
several say they are on 4s with it as well as a option,

I didn't hear of the Homles new ESC till a few posts ago.
For sidewinder I figure the Tekin and Castle were better, most popular.

[dub599]

just get the holmes hobbies esc and be done. can handle 2-6s lipo, a built in bec with enough power to power a super, great stock drag brake, and can be adjusted with the castle link. what more do you need

[oldhippie]

Originally Posted by toy4crawlin

I didn't hear of the Homles new ESC till a few posts ago.
For sidewinder I figure the Tekin and Castle were better, most popular.

Holmes is the new hot esc because it doesn't need a bec and will handle big power.

Sidewinder is castle. All ya need in a brushed crawler, just poor castle drag brake. Not sure if the new mamba software works in the sidewinder?

I'll stick to my fxrs until I go 5s.

[toy4crawlin]

Originally Posted by oldhippie

Holmes is the new hot esc because it doesn't need a bec and will handle big power.

Sidewinder is castle. All ya need in a brushed crawler, just poor castle drag brake. Not sure if the new mamba software works in the sidewinder?

I'll stick to my fxrs until I go 5s.

Are you saying the new Holmes ESC has a weaker drag brake than FXR?
Is the updates done by castle ? if so I'm sure Castle is working on it.


? If all of these ESC's Mamba, FXR and Holmes-castle are firmware upgradeable then the drag's can be improved so then it's just a matter of size and the bec right ?

[oldhippie]

Originally Posted by toy4crawlin

Are you saying the new Holmes ESC has a weaker drag brake than FXR?
Is the updates done by castle ? if so I'm sure Castle is working on it.

If all of these ESC's Mamba, FXR and Holmes-castle are firmware upgradeable then the drag's can be improved so then it's just a matter of size and the bec right ?

No the Holmes is not castle. It only uses a sidewinder case and software interface. Castle doesn't do any updates for it as far as I know. The drag brake is supposed to be better than castle. I have no idea if it is better or worse than the fxr and don't know anyone running one around here.
I also have no idea how much the drag brake can be improved with software. I do know castle has taken a couple years to change their software for crawling so I wouldn't hold my breath for the next one.

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by oldhippie

The drag brake is supposed to be better than castle.

From the runs I've made with my new Holmes ESC....it does feels better/stronger than my Max as far as drag brake. Not needing a BEC is an awesome feature. Less junk to worry about and saves space in small chassis's. I like the fact that I can put the ESC in dang near any RC car and run just about ANY brushed set up I want.

[toy4crawlin]

Originally Posted by JasonB

From what I have experienced (pre new firmware) was that on severe downlines or uplines you will have to hold either some reverse, or some throttle to stop the rig from sliding down the rock. I am running dual 45T integys with no problems.

Hopefully ill get to play with the new software tomorrow morning, looking forward to it

WHat ESC are you running, and whats the conclusion ?

[toy4crawlin]

My overview of what I am hearing and read here:

Holmes- Torque master ESC $98.
no complaints
no need for BEC. 6volt 5amp.
Has been on the market for (unknown months)
Tunable via castle link-PC
handles 2s- 6s lipo
Drag brake is said to be better than Mamba max


Castle- Mamba Max $115.
Well known reliable company
Great customer service
internet access firmware updates.
Very reliable
Runs both Brushed or Brushless
Some say Drag brake not as strong as FXR
Some say Drag brake improved with new beta update.
Some say smoother throttle than FXR.

Tekin- FXR $97.
Great small size
no need for PC to program, but best to properly tune via Hot wire ($30.)
Said to have better Drag brake than Mamba x.
Some have had failures.
Once it has been tuned it's a great ESC.
Unknown: if Hot wire-028 or 029 is needed to properly tune for crawling or has updates ?

[toy4crawlin]

Could John Holmes Chime in and tell us why he is running dual Fxr's and not his Torque master XL ESC ?
or it that an old setup
Please tell us more about the features and function of the new Trq master
thanks

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by toy4crawlin

My overview of what I am hearing and read here:

Holmes- Torque master ESC $98.
no complaints
Well known reliable company
Great customer service
no need for BEC. 6volt 5amp.
Has been on the market for (unknown months)
Tunable via castle link-PC
handles 2s- 6s lipo
Drag brake is said to be better than Mamba max


Castle- Mamba Max $115.
Well known reliable company
Great customer service
internet access firmware updates.
Very reliable
Runs both Brushed or Brushless
Some say Drag brake not as strong as FXR
Some say Drag brake improved with new beta update.
Some say smoother throttle than FXR.

Tekin- FXR $97.
Great small size
no need for PC to program, but best to properly tune via Hot wire ($30.)
Said to have better Drag brake than Mamba x.
Some have had failures.
Once it has been tuned it's a great ESC.
Unknown: if Hot wire-028 or 029 is needed to properly tune for crawling or has updates ?

I fixed your list on the new Holmes ESC.

One thing,the Holmes ESC has felt like it's got a stronger drag brake for me compared to my Mamba Max. That may or may not be because I've not updated my Mamba Max with the latest firmware. Come to think of it,I've not updated that particular Mamba Max in almost 2 years. I'm quite pleased with the settings where I've got them,so I haven't bothered. I will eventually put the new Holmes ESC in everything I have....just for the simplicity,clean install and it's abilities alone.

[JohnRobHolmes]

Originally Posted by toy4crawlin

Could John Holmes Chime in and tell us why he is running dual Fxr's and not his Torque master XL ESC ?
or it that an old setup
Please tell us more about the features and function of the new Trq master
thanks

I swapped to dual TM esc's actually, I was tired of the wiring nest with the BECs and such. Just don't update my threads often.

Currently the feature list is short- 25v max, onboard switchmode BEC, Castle link compatible

Software list is short at the moment- low voltage cutoff, drag brake adjust

Future firmware features will include a hold brake, some different modes, throttle and brake profiles, and maybe a few more features if you want them.


I basically wanted a simple, light, and reliable controller for crawling duty. It can be put into an emaxx if you wanted. I hit up Castle to be included in their Castle link. They don't control the updates, but they will roll future firmware upgrades into their Castle link.