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STANG KILLA SS · 02-15-2011, 06:24 PM

yeah for sure! im just too cheap to buy them

yeah i can get 3 oz of wheel weight lead in each knuckle easy. but the wheel disks being that extra 1/2" further out seems to be REALLY helping with the torsion backbone. the same weight inside the knuckles did not seem to do as good. especially with stability and fighting the spring back unloading. im getting vertually non right now. plus you have to remember these wheels are REEEEALLY light. no hardware or anything either.
i think there is still some tuning to do.

two biggest things that need improvement right now: getting the rear tie rod higher or gone all together. and how to get more steering. because of the design of the clod knuckles the arms angle back hard towards the diff case, so when you get about 20 degrees of steering you cant get anymore because you end up with a "pull-pull" situation, ie the tie rod and steering arm are inline, parrallel. the dog bones, and knuckle clearance have lots more available but you cant get it because of the "pull-pull" steering geometry.

i assume tamiya had to do this steep arm angle to clear the super deep wide wheels/tires on the clod.

dezfan · 02-15-2011, 06:32 PM

2.2 Pimp Cane? That'll never work.

Szczerba · 02-15-2011, 06:37 PM

ever see these?

ebay "Clodbuster Machined Rear Steer Lockouts"

http://cgi.ebay.com/Clod-Super-Clodb...#ht_500wt_1156

STANG KILLA SS · 02-15-2011, 06:51 PM

yeah brett at CPE is a old freind of mine. i just never felt like those could be as positive as a tie rod to something solid. in a bind, there gonna flex. they just have too? wouldnt be that hard for the metal to just move the plastic and wadle it out. just dont see it being able to do as good of a job keeping the tires in place. i definatly appreciate the time. its always an option.
the lockout im currently using is CPE also

run2jeepn · 02-15-2011, 07:16 PM

I wonder what the Trackwidth would be with these wheels on a XLD Super Bully axle. They are 10.4in Hex to Hex...

STANG KILLA SS · 02-15-2011, 07:51 PM

got my rear lock out clearance problem solved. old school trick, like the whole truck

. individual tierods back to the axle tubes.

now i just have to figure out the steering geometry issue.

Jarod, my track width is 10.9" as it sits.

STANG KILLA SS · 02-15-2011, 08:05 PM

i just weighed my wheel setup.

wheel/foam/tire = 6.2oz

wheel/foam/tire with steel disc=10.3oz

whats normal for a 2.2 comp rig? i have no clue...

run2jeepn · 02-15-2011, 08:08 PM

Your in the Normal Range.

gyrene · 02-16-2011, 07:53 AM

Looking good Stang Killa.

I've been wanting to build one of these for a while. There is only one person that sells these, that I know of. And he's out of stock.

Any idea when or IF you will be getting some more Jarod?
I guess I'll keep an eye open in the BST section.

BackToThePast · 02-16-2011, 08:05 AM

I really like that double tie rod rear steer lockout. SO simple. I can't believe I haven't seen that before! That's how I'll do it if I ever decide to lock the rear steering. I posted a linked to this thread in a couple of other forums. Good stuff!

4xFord · 02-16-2011, 02:56 PM

Get rid of the rear weights discs!

STANG KILLA SS · 02-20-2011, 07:57 AM

well i had a blast at yesterdays comp, wheels need a hair more weight though.

need more weight!

unfortunaly the slit i cut in the chassis that helped flex, was also its demise..lasted two courses

gyrene · 02-21-2011, 07:05 AM

Ohhhh....That last pic made me cringe a bit.

At first I thought WTF happened? Then I went back and read what you typed.

02-15-2011, 06:24 PM	#21
STANG KILLA SS ~THE SCALE SHOP~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: KILLEEN TX Posts: 10,056	yeah for sure! im just too cheap to buy them yeah i can get 3 oz of wheel weight lead in each knuckle easy. but the wheel disks being that extra 1/2" further out seems to be REALLY helping with the torsion backbone. the same weight inside the knuckles did not seem to do as good. especially with stability and fighting the spring back unloading. im getting vertually non right now. plus you have to remember these wheels are REEEEALLY light. no hardware or anything either. i think there is still some tuning to do. two biggest things that need improvement right now: getting the rear tie rod higher or gone all together. and how to get more steering. because of the design of the clod knuckles the arms angle back hard towards the diff case, so when you get about 20 degrees of steering you cant get anymore because you end up with a "pull-pull" situation, ie the tie rod and steering arm are inline, parrallel. the dog bones, and knuckle clearance have lots more available but you cant get it because of the "pull-pull" steering geometry. i assume tamiya had to do this steep arm angle to clear the super deep wide wheels/tires on the clod. Last edited by STANG KILLA SS; 02-15-2011 at 06:52 PM.

02-15-2011, 06:51 PM	#24
STANG KILLA SS ~THE SCALE SHOP~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: KILLEEN TX Posts: 10,056	yeah brett at CPE is a old freind of mine. i just never felt like those could be as positive as a tie rod to something solid. in a bind, there gonna flex. they just have too? wouldnt be that hard for the metal to just move the plastic and wadle it out. just dont see it being able to do as good of a job keeping the tires in place. i definatly appreciate the time. its always an option. the lockout im currently using is CPE also Last edited by STANG KILLA SS; 02-15-2011 at 07:02 PM.

02-15-2011, 07:51 PM	#26
STANG KILLA SS ~THE SCALE SHOP~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: KILLEEN TX Posts: 10,056	got my rear lock out clearance problem solved. old school trick, like the whole truck. individual tierods back to the axle tubes. now i just have to figure out the steering geometry issue. Jarod, my track width is 10.9" as it sits.

02-16-2011, 08:05 AM	#30
BackToThePast Quarry Creeper Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mahwah Posts: 199	I really like that double tie rod rear steer lockout. SO simple. I can't believe I haven't seen that before! That's how I'll do it if I ever decide to lock the rear steering. I posted a linked to this thread in a couple of other forums. Good stuff! Last edited by BackToThePast; 02-16-2011 at 08:47 AM.

02-15-2011, 06:32 PM	#22
dezfan I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Happiness is a warm AK. Posts: 12,563	2.2 Pimp Cane? That'll never work.

02-15-2011, 06:37 PM	#23
Szczerba I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Castle Rock, WA Posts: 8,785	ever see these? ebay "Clodbuster Machined Rear Steer Lockouts" http://cgi.ebay.com/Clod-Super-Clodb...#ht_500wt_1156

02-15-2011, 07:16 PM	#25
run2jeepn I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 11,196	I wonder what the Trackwidth would be with these wheels on a XLD Super Bully axle. They are 10.4in Hex to Hex...

02-15-2011, 08:05 PM	#27
STANG KILLA SS ~THE SCALE SHOP~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: KILLEEN TX Posts: 10,056	i just weighed my wheel setup. wheel/foam/tire = 6.2oz wheel/foam/tire with steel disc=10.3oz whats normal for a 2.2 comp rig? i have no clue...

02-15-2011, 08:08 PM	#28
run2jeepn I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 11,196	Your in the Normal Range.

02-16-2011, 07:53 AM	#29
gyrene Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Do I look like a freaking people person? Posts: 874	Looking good Stang Killa. I've been wanting to build one of these for a while. There is only one person that sells these, that I know of. And he's out of stock. Any idea when or IF you will be getting some more Jarod? I guess I'll keep an eye open in the BST section.

02-16-2011, 02:56 PM	#31
4xFord I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 3,761	Get rid of the rear weights discs!

02-20-2011, 07:57 AM	#32
STANG KILLA SS ~THE SCALE SHOP~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: KILLEEN TX Posts: 10,056	well i had a blast at yesterdays comp, wheels need a hair more weight though. need more weight! unfortunaly the slit i cut in the chassis that helped flex, was also its demise..lasted two courses

02-21-2011, 07:05 AM	#33
gyrene Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Do I look like a freaking people person? Posts: 874	Ohhhh....That last pic made me cringe a bit. At first I thought WTF happened? Then I went back and read what you typed.

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