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Old 08-23-2006, 12:46 AM   #1
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Im sure someone has already asked this but i looked and couldn't find it. Any how i have had some problems with breaking my axles on hard nose first impacts. What is happening is that the C hub part of the axle case is flexing and breaking off the dog bone end of the axle. Im looking for either an aluminum axle case or some kind of fix to the problem of the axles breaking. By the way i have a custom chassis what a pede tranny, using TLT axles. Im using crawler store wheel base wideners if any of that helps.

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Old 08-23-2006, 12:50 AM   #2
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Try these from Xtreme RC.

http://www.xtreme-rc-hobbies.net/tltaxelends.html
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these guys have them too. check out: www.Fat-Rock.com. several of the nor cal guys have been running them. mmmm... beefy!

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these guys have them too. check out: www.Fat-Rock.com. several of the nor cal guys have been running them. mmmm... beefy!
WOW i need a set of those bad!! thank you for that link chino!
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I run the Fat-Rock Aluminum Axle-C both in the front and in the rear of my TLT. I love them! No more broken plastic C's and inproved axle clearance. The Fat-Rock Axle-C are the way to go in my book. Here is a link to were you can get them, www.Fat-Rock.com

Here are some pics of them mounted on my rig.

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Released July 27? Sure does look familiar. Guess I'll be dropping mine now as I figured.


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Old 08-23-2006, 06:34 PM   #7
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Well, I wouldn't say imitation, but more like great minds think alike.

We have had them on the drawing board for quite some time now, but deciding on the "best" method of design and fabrication took quite a while. We actually had some unbent prototypes made by blue_devil_toyota thinking that we could bend them and be happy. We then quickly realized the skill & time involved in bending so many so accuractely. So in the end, we went with a sheetmetal shop to do all the cutting and bending for us. A little more expensive, but worth the accuracy I thought.

We then tested the piss out of them in their current state (which is ongoing of course). We learned alot from it and most everything was positive after they had been abused. Trust me when I say Bean Hollow really puts an abuse down and so does all the 7+ pound rigs they were mounted on.

So, we haven't advertised them here yet or anything, just mostly local word of mouth and a couple sig lines here and there. We really wanted to get more testing time in before going hog wild with them, but so far, things have been pleasent. Hopefully that will continue and we get more neat stuff out there.

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i like the other axle pieces the you're coming out with. they look like the axle braces i made awhile back. do yours act like a brace or just a replacement for the broken piece?
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looks more like a replacement or a repair part. you have to take off the old ones in order for those to go on so.. breaking them just gives you a good reason to buy some
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i like the other axle pieces the you're coming out with. they look like the axle braces i made awhile back. do yours act like a brace or just a replacement for the broken piece?
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As mindwreck stated, they are actually replacements and not braces like your design. Dean has been running them on his red Landcruiser (formerly "Old Reliable" the silver one)



for a few years and had great success with them. Once we finished the design for the complete Axle-C, we withheld putting those drawings out to the machine shops until we saw how the first investement worked out.

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By the way. Sorry for the High Jacking. Hey Slinky Sam is this your rig.
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By the way. Sorry for the High Jacking. Hey Slinky Sam is this your rig.

Thread Jacker!!!!!!


Yeah, that's my bucket alright. That shot was on it's maiden voyage right after running the "Carnage on the 'Con" event. Damn that was a while ago.

I need to get it running again :-(

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As mindwreck stated, they are actually replacements and not braces like your design. Dean has been running them on his red Landcruiser (formerly "Old Reliable" the silver one)



for a few years and had great success with them. Once we finished the design for the complete Axle-C, we withheld putting those drawings out to the machine shops until we saw how the first investement worked out.

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yup, these are great for a quick trail fix if you are running stock axles and break on the trail. just throw one on in less than 5 minuites and keep trail riding!
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There's nothing wrong with more than one business selling the same type of part, how many people sell 1:1 D60 axle "C's"? Competition is good for the consumer.

They both look like well made products. I want some myself, now which one to buy......
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There's nothing wrong with more than one business selling the same type of part, how many people sell 1:1 D60 axle "C's"? Competition is good for the consumer.

They both look like well made products. I want some myself, now which one to buy......
x2 can you imagine only one chassis? and actually a guy in taiwan has been selling the c's for about a year now
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There's nothing wrong with more than one business selling the same type of part, how many people sell 1:1 D60 axle "C's"? Competition is good for the consumer.

They both look like well made products. I want some myself, now which one to buy......

I agree completely that competition is good for the customer and I'm all for it. What bothers me is when someone makes a near exact copy of what someone else has done and sells it. Just look at all the sticks being built by everyone. Do you think that hasn't hurt Kevin's sales at The Crawler Store? The good thing is no one is trying to sell a stick like his with minor changes, and they are being built for personal use which I have no problem with. I do believe however that I recall Kevin saying his patent pending covered the torsion designs too so I'm not sure about that as they are being sold by others.

Same type of part.......yes. Near exact copy.........................no! Just my opinion. Must be a reason people want to patent their ideas.

As far as the fellow in Taiwan I have seen his product and mine was not even similar for the most part as his was also a shock/link mount and machined out of a heavy piece.

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I do believe however that I recall Kevin saying his patent pending covered the torsion designs too so I'm not sure about that as they are being sold by others.
Until his patent is approved there is nothing he can do. It also depends on how his patent is defined as to how well it protects his design. But that is a whole nuther story.

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Same type of part.......yes. Near exact copy.........................no! Just my opinion. Must be a reason people want to patent their ideas.
What I see is that your piece starts as a "U" shaped piece of channel aluminum and then you bend the ears down to make the "C". This is evident by the sharp edge running vertically.
Sam's starts as a flat piece and all 4 ears are bent.

So the ending dimensions for where the holes end up are the same (they have to be), but they are produced by two completely different manufacturing methods.
I have some experience in designing sheetmetal parts but correct me if I am wrong.

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Until his patent is approved there is nothing he can do. It also depends on how his patent is defined as to how well it protects his design. But that is a whole nuther story.


What I see is that your piece starts as a "U" shaped piece of channel aluminum and then you bend the ears down to make the "C". This is evident by the sharp edge running vertically.
Sam's starts as a flat piece and all 4 ears are bent.

So the ending dimensions for where the holes end up are the same (they have to be), but they are produced by two completely different manufacturing methods.
I have some experience in designing sheetmetal parts but correct me if I am wrong.

While correct about the manufacturing process it still does not mean that you can't come out with a product that is clearly based on another. Since everyone disagrees with me so be it. It's just not worth it.
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While correct about the manufacturing process it still does not mean that you can't come out with a product that is clearly based on another. Since everyone disagrees with me so be it. It's just not worth it.
not denying they are similar, so are the links you sell compared to others that made and sold them first.........or where have I seen these before



and I made a set of the c's the first day I got the axles. and I believe there is a post from long ago about a set identical to yours that far preceeds your parts.

there is enough difference between the 2 to warrant both, His is designed to use a new kingpin that increases GC, and yours are thinner material and much less in cost. there is a market for both
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