Just Wondering

[ripper7777777]

Anyone else notice the retarded strong loc-tite, maybe it's just these tiny allen head screws. I have no freakin idea how I'm going to get my chassis supports off.

I had to remove the tranney to check the slipper, because it was slipping like mad and well slippers seem to be a bad idea in a crawler. So anyways after trying to tighten the slipper I decided to pull the tranney. I figure just remove the chassis support and lift it right out, LOL, not a chance with that little allen wrench, anybody got a torque wrench adapter for that thing.

Also while reinstalling the slipper cover or whatever that part of the tranny is I discovered one bolt is already stripped.

I really like this new crawler, BUT damn it's hard to love it sometimes, I feel like a trailer park winch waiting for Bubba to come home drunk, I just know the next ass kicking is coming.

[Yawzer]

First off - you don't need to remove the braces to get the tranny out - just the 4 screws on the skid & ya - the little hex wrench is kinda flimsy - if you're gonna work on this - I suggest getting a good set of tools - it's cheap compared to the frustration......... Good luck with yours - I love mine

[ripper7777777]

Yea I know about the 4 screws underneath, just thought it would be easier to lift the tranny out with the stays removed.

I've just ran into quite a few screws on here that either seem to be super glued on or the old kung fu grip has been applied.

Like the wheel nuts, why the hell were those loc-tited on?


Don't get me wrong though, I love the losi and I'm no losi fan boy, but I surely would have been happier with a kit.

[Mr. Burpsalot]

You don't have to remove the tranny to get into the slipper.
There is a cover over the end of the trans with just a few screws.

[davec]

Quality wrenches and a hair dryer for the screws into metal. Really, a quality set of tools makes all the difference in the world for getting out tough screws. You have to make sure that the wrench is seated firmly in the screw head. If it is still stubborn, then a shot with the hair dryer should be enough to loosen up the loctite.

[lakedan5150]

I hear ya, thats not loctite its welded!!! lol I broke three wrenches on this rig and no there not the cheap ones. I definately dont understand why so much loctite in places that dont need it, go figure.

[ripper7777777]

Originally Posted by lakedan5150

I hear ya, thats not loctite its welded!!! lol I broke three wrenches on this rig and no there not the cheap ones. I definately dont understand why so much loctite in places that dont need it, go figure.

FREAKIN THANK YOU


Ok thanks for all the advice everyone, but the point of the thread wasn't the slipper or how to take the tranny out, I took the tranny out because I wanted to. The point wasn't the quality of the tools being used, by the way I have a full set of mechanic tools, once the kids are all in school I'll go back to 1:1s, have a nice 66 Coupe Stang mid restoration. The point was the amount of loc-tite used on these tiny ass screws and that I found a screw into plastic stipped from the get go and the loc-tite on the wheel nuts. Yet I loose a pin in the drive shaft because the set screw came loose.


So I guess the main point is, I'm sick to death of poorly built RTR's.

I know it's a pointless complaint thread, but really we all know that RTR's suck, and we all know that they have to be taken apart and rebuilt, that was fine with Traxxas and other Newb RC's but come on this is suppose to be Comp level, it's like a Team kit, stop this Roller crap a alot of the problems people are dealing with are from crappy assembly.


Can anyone explain why Losi and Axial are doing this even though the consumer base seems to hate it, or do the majority of you enjoy ARTR's?

If the majority of the peeps like ARTR's well than us old timers are screwed, but if we all don't like it and enjoy the kits than we need to let the manufacturers know.


Maybe Rich could let us know is there a reason, Cost, Marketing, Just thought we'd like it?

[letus]

I had the same issue, there was so much loctite on the screws in the cross braces, I blew out two of the screw heads. I'm using good tools as well. So yeah... way too much freaking loctite on screws that don't need them.

[JasonJones]

I had some screws that were tough to get out, but I managed. You shouldn't be stripping screws out with good tools. If its not letting go you should be snapping heads, not stripping them out when the tool fits perfectly, now the exception is the little micro allen heads that they used in a few places, god I hate those.

I for one liked the "Roller" concept. I've built a dozen or more 1/10 on-road and off-road cars over the years. Every one of them came in a 100 little bags and by the end of the "build" My fingers ached, arms were tired and it was 4am. No matter when you start! I pulled mine out of the box (rear leaky shocks and all), looked it over and then took the important bits apart to make sure things were built OK, relube, remove shims etc. It took me about 2hrs to "rebuild" the rig vs much more time to build it from scratch, and I Was done doing all the electronics at like 10pm instead of 4am!!! Yay!...

[wickedgmc]

Originally Posted by ripper7777777

FREAKIN THANK YOU



Can anyone explain why Losi and Axial are doing this even though the consumer base seems to hate it, or do the majority of you enjoy ARTR's?

If the majority of the peeps like ARTR's well than us old timers are screwed, but if we all don't like it and enjoy the kits than we need to let the manufacturers know.


Maybe Rich could let us know is there a reason, Cost, Marketing, Just thought we'd like it?

same question comes up all the time on other forums I look at and the answer is there are sooooo many more people who only bash and play than there are that race/comp that an ARTR or RTR.

The appeal to the normal everyday person to not have to build a kit is so much better. Those of us who race and or comp will buy a kit and build it or buy and ARTR or RTR and tear it apart and rebuild it the way we want it.
I think the ARTR and the RTR are becoming the norm and kits are far and few in between.

Just my thoughts

[ripper7777777]

Originally Posted by letus

I had the same issue, there was so much loctite on the screws in the cross braces, I blew out two of the screw heads. I'm using good tools as well. So yeah... way too much freaking loctite on screws that don't need them.

Yea, I stopped prying when it felt like the screw was going to strip. I figured a heat source would be needed that's when I figured WTF! Why so much, than when I removed the wheels and had to get a socket because of the loc-tite, I about lost it.

Originally Posted by JasonJones

I had some screws that were tough to get out, but I managed. You shouldn't be stripping screws out with good tools. If its not letting go you should be snapping heads, not stripping them out when the tool fits perfectly, now the exception is the little micro allen heads that they used in a few places, god I hate those.

I for one liked the "Roller" concept. I've built a dozen or more 1/10 on-road and off-road cars over the years. Every one of them came in a 100 little bags and by the end of the "build" My fingers ached, arms were tired and it was 4am. No matter when you start! I pulled mine out of the box (rear leaky shocks and all), looked it over and then took the important bits apart to make sure things were built OK, relube, remove shims etc. It took me about 2hrs to "rebuild" the rig vs much more time to build it from scratch, and I Was done doing all the electronics at like 10pm instead of 4am!!! Yay!...

I would agree, except when it comes to kits designed for the Comp, Team or Pro Drivers, those should be kit only, they should cater to us.

Originally Posted by wickedgmc

same question comes up all the time on other forums I look at and the answer is there are sooooo many more people who only bash and play than there are that race/comp that an ARTR or RTR.

The appeal to the normal everyday person to not have to build a kit is so much better. Those of us who race and or comp will buy a kit and build it or buy and ARTR or RTR and tear it apart and rebuild it the way we want it.
I think the ARTR and the RTR are becoming the norm and kits are far and few in between.

Just my thoughts

I think so to and I used to defend the RTR's and I was warned that one day they would take over and I always said, no way thye will never start building Team level kits as RTR's that would just be stupid.....

But I suppose if the figures or stats prove that it attracts more new people to the hobby than so be it, I'll get used to it and hope that one day maybe we will see Pro Comp level kits that only come in kit form, so a Team Losi Pro Comp Crawler with some hop-ups included, like the Team Kits.

[grouser]

you peps just need to change the way your looking at this RTR thing,,,,
try this,,,,,,,,
think of it as a kit that comes in a life like 3D exploded view form instead of plastic bags, You must tear it down and build it yourself the way YOU want it....
want some cheese?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by ripper7777777

Can anyone explain why Losi and Axial are doing this even though the consumer base seems to hate it, or do the majority of you enjoy ARTR's?

If the majority of the peeps like ARTR's well than us old timers are screwed, but if we all don't like it and enjoy the kits than we need to let the manufacturers know.

RTR kits benefit everyone (i think)

Its better assurance of no missing parts or bags left out.
Purchase of a kit gets judged less on its complexity, how hard it is to build
Its the new faces (the noobs as some call them) that the kits bring into the hobby thus helping it grow

Yeah they're mass produced and things happen, parts do still go missing BUT the percentage is low vs how many kits roll out each day. on a veterans side yeah it can be a pain tearing it apart just to build it 'your' way but atleast we know its done our way when we're done.

The bigger problem with RTR's is the fact they dont help a person learn how to fix their rig when it breaks. A buddy of mine owns a LHS that use to never charge for repairs but with the explosion in RTRs starting back 5 years or so ago he had to start. He was just getting overwhelmed with guys bringing trucks in with things like a bad glow plug and them not knowing how to fix it. Little things like that to bigger fixes, RTR's dont make you open instructions and kids are to in a rush now a days.

just my 2cents

[70duncan]

Originally Posted by ripper7777777

Anyone else notice the retarded strong loc-tite, maybe it's just these tiny allen head screws. I have no freakin idea how I'm going to get my chassis supports off.

I had to remove the tranney to check the slipper, because it was slipping like mad and well slippers seem to be a bad idea in a crawler. So anyways after trying to tighten the slipper I decided to pull the tranney. I figure just remove the chassis support and lift it right out, LOL, not a chance with that little allen wrench, anybody got a torque wrench adapter for that thing.

Also while reinstalling the slipper cover or whatever that part of the tranny is I discovered one bolt is already stripped.

I really like this new crawler, BUT damn it's hard to love it sometimes, I feel like a trailer park winch waiting for Bubba to come home drunk, I just know the next ass kicking is coming.

Hey Ripper. I also, just like every one else have had the same problem. I used a larger alan wrench in the hole on the brace to turn it. It then broke the screews loose enough to take them out with out to much force. I hope this helps, I know it doesn't work on some of the other parts, but it helps.

[killswitch]

I love my LCC, but I would have much rather built my truck from a million little bags than get it as a roller. None of the issues that people are complaining about as far as the actual build quality would never had been a problem, plus theres nothing better than seeing a freshly built kit on the workbench. Ive had similar build quality "issues" as most everyone else thats posted on here. About half of the bearings had little or no visible lube in them (this is more common than most people realize in R/C as Ive seen it from OE kits and aftermarket bearing suppliers alike, even the super high $$ ceramic super sealed stuff too). All of my wheelnuts were threadlocked and 3 of the 4th were cross threaded on. I had to use a socket drive to get them off. I used a heat gun to soften the threadlock on the chassis braces so i could get them apart. Im a former 15+ year onroad racer, so Im always really anal when it comes to assembly and setup. I understand why they did a roller to appeal to those who dont build kits, but I hated blowing a completely assembled truck apart to build it my way. It wasnt about the time it took as much as it was the fact that I wonder how much of the $284 I payed for my kit was to cover someone in Taiwan assembling it incorrectly the first time round.

[JasonJones]

Originally Posted by killswitch

It wasnt about the time it took as much as it was the fact that I wonder how much of the $284 I payed for my kit was to cover someone in Taiwan assembling it incorrectly the first time round.

HAHA dude, I'm sure if you hit up Losi they'll give you a refund of the 30 cents spent for assembly...

[ripper7777777]

Originally Posted by grouser

you peps just need to change the way your looking at this RTR thing,,,,
try this,,,,,,,,
think of it as a kit that comes in a life like 3D exploded view form instead of plastic bags, You must tear it down and build it yourself the way YOU want it....
want some cheese?

LOL - I suppose that's one way to look at it. and yes I do want some cheese, I like cheese, but not big on wine.

Originally Posted by JasonJones

HAHA dude, I'm sure if you hit up Losi they'll give you a refund of the 30 cents spent for assembly...

I was thinking 5.30, 5 for loctite and .30 for the worker. I guess if it was all assembled correctly it wouldn't be that big of an issue, just glad to see I'm not the only one that hates it, I was beginning to think I was just old and grumpy.

[killswitch]

Originally Posted by ripper7777777

I guess if it was all assembled correctly it wouldn't be that big of an issue, just glad to see I'm not the only one that hates it, I was beginning to think I was just old and grumpy.

Nope, you arent alone. I would take a kit any day over a prebuilt r/c ride anyday. I like being able to do all of my odds and ends without the dissasembly. This is only the second roller/RTR ive ever owned and the other one was the silver Pajero XC-01 RTR years ago because it was the only affordable way to get a cc-01 chassis at the time. Ive built over 100 kits easy and Im very particular about how I do things, especially things like bearings and shocks. As far as all of the treadlock, I used a cheap ultrasonic cleaner from Harbor Freight to clean all of it off the screws and parts.