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Fattymojo · 06-08-2010, 11:51 PM

Im looking for a new motor set up and want to go brushless because from what i hear it requires the least maintenance. Trying to decide on what system to go with for my LCC. Most of them seem to be within the same price range, so i really just want to hear from some people what works the best. IE runs cool, smooth, if one is better then the others in any other way. Easy to set up for a new guy like me.

Really im looking for something that just plane works, and its hard to make a decision from online reviews.

mrG · 06-09-2010, 08:14 AM

I use a Castle Mamba Max Pro ESC and a Tekin 21.5 motor with a 14mm rotor. I had to buy the rotor separate but I think you can order it with the larger rotor, it even comes in a high torque version now. If you go with the Castle make sure you download and install the newest software to the ESC. Once I got the newest software it runs great. I hear from some tech guys that the Tekin is a faster motor than most, which is what you need in want in a LCC.

silentcircus · 06-09-2010, 08:30 AM

Another vote for the Mamba Max Pro, but I run mine with a Hyperion 1830kv 17.5 and a 13T pinion.

Fattymojo · 06-09-2010, 09:01 AM

How do these motors hold up to heat? do they get hot with long runs or even short runs with many high rpm bursting? I think i read the Mamba Max Pro holds up really well to heat.

fa1rch1ld · 06-09-2010, 11:39 AM

I have had 3 different systems so far. Tekin...MMP etc. The best and
smoothest system I have ran so far is the Losi 17.5 crawler system...Its simple
basic and gets the job done. I no longer run a BEC and just power my servo on
6V 5A that the ESC handles...You still have plenty of servo power.

Del Montess · 06-09-2010, 11:42 AM

Excelorin 21.5
I love it, no heat issues so far, easy to drive, it just plain works

Fattymojo · 06-09-2010, 02:43 PM

Do either of you run a cap on the esc to further help heat issues or do you just run stock with no heat issues?

benoj · 06-09-2010, 05:12 PM

the esc comes with a cap in order to work properly. most brushless esc's need them anymore
iver been running mmp with novak 18.5t crawler motor with no heat issues

GMS Racing · 06-09-2010, 05:37 PM

Can anyone tell me what the Goat 3s put out to the servo?? Also is there any way to get immediate reverse from the Losi?

Fattymojo · 06-09-2010, 09:51 PM

I caved and purchased the 21.5t Xcelorin

SuperRoo · 06-09-2010, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMS Racing

Can anyone tell me what the Goat 3s put out to the servo?? Also is there any way to get immediate reverse from the Losi?

Cant speak for the Novak but the Losi Crawler ESC (LOSB9501) has instant reverse and as fa1rch1ld pointed out it also has a 6V, 5 amp bec so you don't need a external bec unless you want to run high volt servos.

If you have the Losi Car esc (LOSB9500) you can update the firmware to get the instant reverse. Personally I wish Losi did an exchange program for all us people that bought the car esc when the crawler esc wasn't available.

AZrcdriver · 06-10-2010, 12:23 AM

This is the Goat 3S BEC:

BECs: 6.0 volts DC/5.0 amps; 6.0 volts DC/3.0 amps switching regulator (external)

and the Goat 2S:

BEC: 6.0 volt/5.0 amp

And they have instant reverse as well.

I run my Goat 3S with a 2S battery with no external BEC

d.a.v.e · 09-17-2010, 08:11 PM

I assume more amps is better but what would the 3 amps vs 5 amp get me?

I have the LOSB9500 and just loaded the LOSB9501 software on it. Wondering if the BEC setting is something that would be modified in the software or not as the box say 6V / 3 amp vs the 9501 that is listed as 6v / 5 amp?

d.a.v.e · 09-18-2010, 06:49 PM

My Losi ESC just went up in smoke.. Not sure why ran it for 5 min and it just died with a faint smell of burnt electronics

.. Bought it used but it looked brand new. Guess I learned that lesson

. Went to my LHS and ordered a 3Cell Goat with a ballistic 18.5 motor & a BEC.

Hopefully it lasts a bit longer?

d.a.v.e · 09-18-2010, 09:43 PM

Just read an interesting 1 page write up on the need for a BEC vs using the one in the ESC on Novak's site. I'm wondering if this might be what helped fry mine as the previous owner had been running it with 2 cell packs? While I did change the programing I didn't have a BEC installed? Looks like the Goat comes with an external one & I'll be using that this time

.

http://www.teamnovak.com/tech_info/i...tes/index.html

untchabl · 09-19-2010, 12:28 AM

I'm running the Goat 3s 18.5 Ballistic setup in my LNC and have a good buddy that is running the same in his LCC. Both of us have had great results from the Goat system and no issues to report in the few months we've been running and comping with them. We are both running an external BEC, Castle BEC to be exact, left the Novak BEC in the box.

KBrog · 09-19-2010, 07:51 AM

I use the Novak external 6v 3amp BEC to run my Hitec 7950 with no issues at all, EVER.

joe daigle jr · 09-19-2010, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d.a.v.e

Just read an interesting 1 page write up on the need for a BEC vs using the one in the ESC on Novak's site. I'm wondering if this might be what helped fry mine as the previous owner had been running it with 2 cell packs? While I did change the programing I didn't have a BEC installed? Looks like the Goat comes with an external one & I'll be using that this time

.

http://www.teamnovak.com/tech_info/i...tes/index.html

i had the losi system since feb and wired a castle bec in since i am running a 7950 it didnt matter cuz no matter what gearing i chose it ran hot i went thru 3 systems by august i did get a refund from horizon and i am now running the 3s goat with no issues so far our comp season starts up next week so i will find out for sure then but so far the novak is out performing the losi and by the way the last losi system had a cap fire thats when i finally had enough of it

d.a.v.e · 09-20-2010, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by untchabl

I'm running the Goat 3s 18.5 Ballistic setup in my LNC and have a good buddy that is running the same in his LCC. Both of us have had great results from the Goat system and no issues to report in the few months we've been running and comping with them. We are both running an external BEC, Castle BEC to be exact, left the Novak BEC in the box.

Good to know, how come you chose the Castle BEC over the included one?

06-08-2010, 11:51 PM	#1
Fattymojo Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2010 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 413	Question about a brushless system Im looking for a new motor set up and want to go brushless because from what i hear it requires the least maintenance. Trying to decide on what system to go with for my LCC. Most of them seem to be within the same price range, so i really just want to hear from some people what works the best. IE runs cool, smooth, if one is better then the others in any other way. Easy to set up for a new guy like me. Really im looking for something that just plane works, and its hard to make a decision from online reviews.

06-09-2010, 05:37 PM	#9
GMS Racing Newbie Join Date: May 2010 Location: Palm Harbor Posts: 11	Can anyone tell me what the Goat 3s put out to the servo?? Also is there any way to get immediate reverse from the Losi? Last edited by GMS Racing; 06-09-2010 at 05:44 PM.

06-09-2010, 08:14 AM	#2
mrG RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: In the thinking chair Posts: 991	I use a Castle Mamba Max Pro ESC and a Tekin 21.5 motor with a 14mm rotor. I had to buy the rotor separate but I think you can order it with the larger rotor, it even comes in a high torque version now. If you go with the Castle make sure you download and install the newest software to the ESC. Once I got the newest software it runs great. I hear from some tech guys that the Tekin is a faster motor than most, which is what you need in want in a LCC.

06-09-2010, 08:30 AM	#3
silentcircus Rock Crawler Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: My Old Kentucky Home.... Posts: 659	Another vote for the Mamba Max Pro, but I run mine with a Hyperion 1830kv 17.5 and a 13T pinion.

06-09-2010, 09:01 AM	#4
Fattymojo Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2010 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 413	How do these motors hold up to heat? do they get hot with long runs or even short runs with many high rpm bursting? I think i read the Mamba Max Pro holds up really well to heat.

06-09-2010, 11:39 AM	#5
fa1rch1ld RCC Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: California Posts: 1,494	I have had 3 different systems so far. Tekin...MMP etc. The best and smoothest system I have ran so far is the Losi 17.5 crawler system...Its simple basic and gets the job done. I no longer run a BEC and just power my servo on 6V 5A that the ESC handles...You still have plenty of servo power.

06-09-2010, 11:42 AM	#6
Del Montess Rock Crawler Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hesperia Posts: 562	Excelorin 21.5 I love it, no heat issues so far, easy to drive, it just plain works

06-09-2010, 02:43 PM	#7
Fattymojo Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2010 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 413	Do either of you run a cap on the esc to further help heat issues or do you just run stock with no heat issues?

06-09-2010, 05:12 PM	#8
benoj I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Madrid, IA Posts: 2,015	the esc comes with a cap in order to work properly. most brushless esc's need them anymore iver been running mmp with novak 18.5t crawler motor with no heat issues

06-09-2010, 09:51 PM	#10
Fattymojo Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2010 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 413	I caved and purchased the 21.5t Xcelorin

06-10-2010, 12:23 AM	#12
AZrcdriver Quarry Creeper Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 224	This is the Goat 3S BEC: BECs: 6.0 volts DC/5.0 amps; 6.0 volts DC/3.0 amps switching regulator (external) and the Goat 2S: BEC: 6.0 volt/5.0 amp And they have instant reverse as well. I run my Goat 3S with a 2S battery with no external BEC

09-17-2010, 08:11 PM	#13
d.a.v.e Rock Stacker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 95	I assume more amps is better but what would the 3 amps vs 5 amp get me? I have the LOSB9500 and just loaded the LOSB9501 software on it. Wondering if the BEC setting is something that would be modified in the software or not as the box say 6V / 3 amp vs the 9501 that is listed as 6v / 5 amp?

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09-18-2010, 06:49 PM	#14
d.a.v.e Rock Stacker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 95	My Losi ESC just went up in smoke.. Not sure why ran it for 5 min and it just died with a faint smell of burnt electronics .. Bought it used but it looked brand new. Guess I learned that lesson . Went to my LHS and ordered a 3Cell Goat with a ballistic 18.5 motor & a BEC. Hopefully it lasts a bit longer?

09-18-2010, 09:43 PM	#15
d.a.v.e Rock Stacker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 95	Just read an interesting 1 page write up on the need for a BEC vs using the one in the ESC on Novak's site. I'm wondering if this might be what helped fry mine as the previous owner had been running it with 2 cell packs? While I did change the programing I didn't have a BEC installed? Looks like the Goat comes with an external one & I'll be using that this time . http://www.teamnovak.com/tech_info/i...tes/index.html

09-19-2010, 12:28 AM	#16
untchabl Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Central NC Posts: 343	I'm running the Goat 3s 18.5 Ballistic setup in my LNC and have a good buddy that is running the same in his LCC. Both of us have had great results from the Goat system and no issues to report in the few months we've been running and comping with them. We are both running an external BEC, Castle BEC to be exact, left the Novak BEC in the box.

09-19-2010, 07:51 AM	#17
KBrog RCC Addict Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Earth? Posts: 1,698	I use the Novak external 6v 3amp BEC to run my Hitec 7950 with no issues at all, EVER.

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