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drawls88 · 03-01-2011, 08:22 PM

so thinking of MOA.. what is a good kit? and can u go brushless on both motors?

ghtpdm5 · 03-01-2011, 08:27 PM

as far as a kit to convert a losi to a moa setup, there is only one and it is made by eritex inc. you could go brushless for both motors, the one possible issue is that you would have to run dual esc, you simply can't, to my knowledge, run 2 brushless motors off of one esc.

losikid · 03-01-2011, 08:42 PM

You will have to run dual esc for ttwin brushless motors...I'd juggest mamba max pro, or wait for the holmes brushless esc to come out (still in the works, may be months, lol)

Only kit i know of is made by eritex inc

and well shafty will do everything the moa will do unless you get a moa chassis, if i didn't have all my money invested in a moa losi, i would have stayed as a shafty and run a brushless set up, but the moa allowed me to get around the high dollar brushless set up and use parts i had at that time, slowly upgrading my esc's, motors, etc...but if i was to build another losi i wouldn't go moa, but dual esc's is useful.

ghtpdm5 · 03-01-2011, 08:44 PM

2 mamba max pros...you don't screw around lol. lot of real estate on that as well.

losikid · 03-01-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ghtpdm5

2 mamba max pros...you don't screw around lol. lot of real estate on that as well.

i don't run dual brushless, if i did though it be two mmpro's unless hh had a brushless esc out...i run two brushed with brxls.

I'm like a electronics freak man, gotta have the best

ghtpdm5 · 03-01-2011, 09:52 PM

i got ya now, and i don't blame you for putting the best components in, its what i'd do in that situation myself with a losi chassis at least. just a quick check for op on this, with a moa truck why run brushless. brushed will be smoother and run just as well if not better if well maintained, although that could be the reason he's looking into dual brushless....

xgerstandtx · 03-01-2011, 10:43 PM

Changing my LCC over to MOA was one of the best moves i have done with my crawlers.

It's a wash between a quality brusless shafty setup and a good moa setup.

I run the RC4wd dig switch(you don't need the drag/gold brake cause of the worm gears) a Castle Sidewinder with team brood 35t motors.

I also switched over to a bodiless T1e chassis and that was a huge improvement. Going MOA and keeping the stock chassis is like shooting yourself in the foot. But changing the chassis to a MOA designed one will get you all the benefits that the berg/bully guys are used to(narrow higher clearence)

Plan your moves out carefully and take your time.

steelyb75 · 03-02-2011, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by xgerstandtx

Changing my LCC over to MOA was one of the best moves i have done with my crawlers.

It's a wash between a quality brusless shafty setup and a good moa setup.

I run the RC4wd dig switch(you don't need the drag/gold brake cause of the worm gears) a Castle Sidewinder with team brood 35t motors.

I also switched over to a bodiless T1e chassis and that was a huge improvement. Going MOA and keeping the stock chassis is like shooting yourself in the foot. But changing the chassis to a MOA designed one will get you all the benefits that the berg/bully guys are used to(narrow higher clearence)

Plan your moves out carefully and take your time.

Couldn't agree more. Been running my moa Losi now, up against Berg's and xr-10's and it's just fantastic ( even with the stock chassi). Will never go back to shaft-drive. I'm definitly going to upgrade to a T1e, but I'm not in a hurry. I run it with a Mamba max, punck-rc dig an two 35t motors on 3s. Go for it bro'

losikid · 03-02-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ghtpdm5

i got ya now, and i don't blame you for putting the best components in, its what i'd do in that situation myself with a losi chassis at least. just a quick check for op on this, with a moa truck why run brushless. brushed will be smoother and run just as well if not better if well maintained, although that could be the reason he's looking into dual brushless....

Brushless technology is getting alot better for crawlers, and seems to be more efficent with worms due to the ratio they have. I am going to keep my brushed setup till hh comes out with his brushless line, then i'll be running hh puller pro's and what ever his esc is goign to be...oh his puller pro's will have more torque and low end control than any other motor of comparable size...the 550 size brushless will have over 2 hp

Hulksta · 03-03-2011, 03:52 AM

I tried real hard to get dual brushless to work in my losi... i now run brushed

They did run but the noise at low speed and the clod stalling was annoying me lol... with the brushed brood motors i now run it is butter smooth

Hulksta · 03-03-2011, 03:54 AM

On and going brushed will save you money (unless you already have the brushless) on esc & motors, your esc options are smaller to save room if you go dual esc too

losikid · 03-03-2011, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hulksta

I tried real hard to get dual brushless to work in my losi... i now run brushed

They did run but the noise at low speed and the clod stalling was annoying me lol... with the brushed brood motors i now run it is butter smooth

what was you running?

Hulksta · 03-03-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by losikid

what was you running?

I was running dual tekin RS and 17.5t tekin motors, I tried stock + 13mm high torque + 14mm high torque rotors all running on Hyperion 3s 45c lipo but still couldn't get close to the smoothness of brushed

losikid · 03-03-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hulksta

I was running dual tekin RS and 17.5t tekin motors, I tried stock + 13mm high torque + 14mm high torque rotors all running on Hyperion 3s 45c lipo but still couldn't get close to the smoothness of brushed

Well john promises the smoothest low end possible, and i'm sure he'll have it. I'll give it a try, hopefully i get good results

guidetti_angelo · 03-04-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by losikid

Well john promises the smoothest low end possible, and i'm sure he'll have it. I'll give it a try, hopefully i get good results

How long will he release new brushless Esc..(is there an estimate date less or more)

drawls88 · 03-06-2011, 10:14 PM

ordered my kit today. looking into the holmes hobbies tourqe motors. but also the tekin stuff too. thanks guys for all the good info. going brushed for now utill something better comes along....

losikid · 03-06-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by guidetti_angelo

How long will he release new brushless Esc..(is there an estimate date less or more)

No, its not even official yet about his esc...but he has mentioned it a few times in his threads which i try and follow, probably a year or so...if your looking for something now don't wait for him, but if you have a good brushed setup and are wanting to go to brushless then i think its worth the wait for jrh to release his esc, if i have the money when its released i'll have one, as long as its comparable to mmpro, but i have a feeling it may be better...maybe a brushless holmes hold

although not useful on the losi but still a nice feature, it gives worm haters the advantages of having worms in your system.

drawls88 · 04-19-2011, 08:59 PM

Moa kit installed lookout Holmes hobbies here I come... Got to get this done before the axial wraith comes out..

03-01-2011, 08:22 PM	#1
drawls88 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: roseburg Posts: 36	MOA do or dont. so thinking of MOA.. what is a good kit? and can u go brushless on both motors?

03-01-2011, 08:27 PM	#2
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	as far as a kit to convert a losi to a moa setup, there is only one and it is made by eritex inc. you could go brushless for both motors, the one possible issue is that you would have to run dual esc, you simply can't, to my knowledge, run 2 brushless motors off of one esc.

03-01-2011, 08:42 PM	#3
losikid Got Worms? Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 6,116	You will have to run dual esc for ttwin brushless motors...I'd juggest mamba max pro, or wait for the holmes brushless esc to come out (still in the works, may be months, lol) Only kit i know of is made by eritex inc and well shafty will do everything the moa will do unless you get a moa chassis, if i didn't have all my money invested in a moa losi, i would have stayed as a shafty and run a brushless set up, but the moa allowed me to get around the high dollar brushless set up and use parts i had at that time, slowly upgrading my esc's, motors, etc...but if i was to build another losi i wouldn't go moa, but dual esc's is useful.

03-01-2011, 08:44 PM	#4
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	2 mamba max pros...you don't screw around lol. lot of real estate on that as well.

03-01-2011, 09:52 PM	#6
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	i got ya now, and i don't blame you for putting the best components in, its what i'd do in that situation myself with a losi chassis at least. just a quick check for op on this, with a moa truck why run brushless. brushed will be smoother and run just as well if not better if well maintained, although that could be the reason he's looking into dual brushless....

03-01-2011, 10:43 PM	#7
xgerstandtx RCC Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Marshalltown Posts: 1,003	Changing my LCC over to MOA was one of the best moves i have done with my crawlers. It's a wash between a quality brusless shafty setup and a good moa setup. I run the RC4wd dig switch(you don't need the drag/gold brake cause of the worm gears) a Castle Sidewinder with team brood 35t motors. I also switched over to a bodiless T1e chassis and that was a huge improvement. Going MOA and keeping the stock chassis is like shooting yourself in the foot. But changing the chassis to a MOA designed one will get you all the benefits that the berg/bully guys are used to(narrow higher clearence) Plan your moves out carefully and take your time.

03-03-2011, 03:52 AM	#10
Hulksta RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 1,784	I tried real hard to get dual brushless to work in my losi... i now run brushed They did run but the noise at low speed and the clod stalling was annoying me lol... with the brushed brood motors i now run it is butter smooth

03-03-2011, 03:54 AM	#11
Hulksta RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 1,784	On and going brushed will save you money (unless you already have the brushless) on esc & motors, your esc options are smaller to save room if you go dual esc too

03-06-2011, 10:14 PM	#16
drawls88 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: roseburg Posts: 36	ordered my kit today. looking into the holmes hobbies tourqe motors. but also the tekin stuff too. thanks guys for all the good info. going brushed for now utill something better comes along....

04-19-2011, 08:59 PM	#18
drawls88 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: roseburg Posts: 36	Moa kit installed lookout Holmes hobbies here I come... Got to get this done before the axial wraith comes out..

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