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Robbob 02-07-2017 10:15 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
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Originally Posted by eric113 (Post 5663224)
I know it scaler. But maybe it will get the gears turning.

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Originally Posted by snapon boy (Post 5663232)
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Robbob 02-07-2017 11:49 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
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Ok let me hammer this out here and see if it makes sense to anyone .......


So using the T-case gears from an SCX2 .... 20T and 26T plus add in a 36T XR gear ...

Working backwards from outdrive ....

26T gear is on the outputs .... then you go to the 36T gear giving you 1.80:1

Then 36T gear gos to the 20T SCX2 gear ..... (1.30:1)

That 20T would run off the motor pinion of lets say a 22T giving 22/20=1.18:1

If I take the 1.80 * 1.18 that would give me a trans ratio of 2.12:1

A: Am I correct?

Ideally my goal would be to double the amount of output rotations to motor input rotations ..... or even more if possible.

goobs 02-07-2017 03:11 PM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
driven / drive gear

20/22=.91
36/20=1.8
26/36=.72

.91*1.8*.72=1.183

so 1.183:1 is what i come up with.

also, since the idlers cancel each other out, just do final/ pinion. 26/22=1.18.
that only works when its gear on gear contact, not when it gears besides gears(compound gears) if that makes sense.

Robbob 02-07-2017 03:34 PM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
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Originally Posted by goobs (Post 5663445)
driven / drive gear

20/22=.91
36/20=1.8
26/36=.72

.91*1.8*.72=1.183

so 1.183:1 is what i come up with.

also, since the idlers cancel each other out, just do final/ pinion. 26/22=1.18.
that only works when its gear on gear contact, not when it gears besides gears(compound gears) if that makes sense.

So I would basically need a 52t pinion to come out with a 2:1?

Gearing blows my mind lol.

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goobs 02-07-2017 04:19 PM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
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Originally Posted by Robbob (Post 5663453)
So I would basically need a 52t pinion to come out with a 2:1?

Gearing blows my mind lol.

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Pretty much, unless you use compound gears like what the lnc trans uses.

you could try direct drive into a 2:1 t-case, input onto the bigger gear.

i usually try to figure out what i want for a final ratio first, then go backwards from there.

losi axles are either 25:1 or 21:1.

so if you wawnt a final drive of 50:1, you would need 2:1 in the trans if using the stock worms. 2.4:1 trans if using 21t worms.

Robbob 02-07-2017 07:47 PM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
Compound gears have me lost even more. Any ideas?



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Robbob 02-07-2017 08:39 PM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
What if (just using these numbers for examples) the 36 and 20 were compound gears ...... would I go bigger gear between the 20 and pinion? And how much bigger?

Heido 02-08-2017 05:31 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
Why compound gears? I have been planning to build my own tranny for Losi axles using 32P pinions. 12T on motor -> 22T -> 25T on output shaft (2,06:1). Should give enough play room for the output shaft placement.

Robbob 02-08-2017 05:54 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
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Originally Posted by Heido (Post 5663725)
Why compound gears? I have been planning to build my own tranny for Losi axles using 32P pinions. 12T on motor -> 22T -> 25T on output shaft (2,06:1). Should give enough play room for the output shaft placement.


32 pitch could do it but I was hoping to stay more with a 48p style. Less noise with better gear mesh and wear.


Plus I would like to find a combo of gears that could be bought easily by the driver then we could produce the trans.

goobs 02-08-2017 07:09 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
somewhere in the equation, if you want 2:1, you'll have to have a drive gear 2x bigger than the driven gear.

Robbob 02-08-2017 07:25 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
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Originally Posted by goobs (Post 5663757)
somewhere in the equation, if you want 2:1, you'll have to have a drive gear 2x bigger than the driven gear.


You're not helping :ror:

But I like learning and challenges. :mrgreen: "thumbsup"

goobs 02-08-2017 07:56 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
just so im clear....do you want the output of the trans to turn 2x for every one revolution of the pinion(motor) 1:2 ratio
or do you want the pinion(motor) to turn 2x for one revolution of the output 2:1 ratio?

Heido 02-08-2017 07:58 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbob (Post 5663730)
32 pitch could do it but I was hoping to stay more with a 48p style. Less noise with better gear mesh and wear.


Plus I would like to find a combo of gears that could be bought easily by the driver then we could produce the trans.


Robinson has load of 48P pinions, easy to get and good quality. Let's say 16-18T on motor, 32-36T idler, 34-40T on output shaft. Worth of try maybe :)

Robbob 02-08-2017 08:01 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
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Originally Posted by goobs (Post 5663779)
just so im clear....do you want the output of the trans to turn 2x for every one revolution of the pinion(motor) 1:2 ratio
or do you want the pinion(motor) to turn 2x for one revolution of the output 2:1 ratio?

I'd like the output/driveshafts to spin 2 rotations for every 1 pinion rotation.

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goobs 02-08-2017 08:14 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
got it!

so you want 1:2 ratio.

yup, the pinion will need to be huge.
i have an idea using a lnc trans, when i get home this evening ill check and see if it'll work.

CM9000 02-08-2017 08:55 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
what about trying to reverse the gear size on a gru from great planes? they are like 10 bucks. or you could use it in conjunction with the lnc trans maybe.. hmmm...

CM9000 02-08-2017 09:19 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
scratch what I said. make it belt drive.

CODYBOY 02-08-2017 10:52 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
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Originally Posted by Robbob (Post 5663784)
I'd like the output/driveshafts to spin 2 rotations for every 1 pinion rotation.

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Bob, you guys are putting my poor old brain into over load try to follow what you're trying to do.:lmao::lmao:
Ernie

snapon boy 02-08-2017 10:59 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
Mine too.

Heido 02-08-2017 11:55 AM

Re: Robbobs bored and building a shafty
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbob (Post 5663784)
I'd like the output/driveshafts to spin 2 rotations for every 1 pinion rotation.

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Are you sure? You want to reduce revs not to increase them, I'm I correct? In that case you want right the opposite


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