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Old 02-13-2011, 07:00 PM   #1
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Dunno if it's something new or not, but I tried using PVC priming fluid when I had my first proper go at cutting and gluing tires on the weekend.
My thinking was, priming fluid is used on PVC pipe before appyling solvent cement to join pipe in plumbing applications to degrease the surface and take off the glossy finish. Work a treat!!!
I did the first tire using a generic CA gel glue; gel as it doesn't run and easier to apply. It ended up drying a bit ridgid, but still ok.
The rest of the tires I used LOCTITE 406. I got lazy and didn't prime one tire, then quickly found the glue would not take. A quick prime and the glue-tire bond was like sh!t to a blanket. And no signs of a ridgity, nice and flexible.
Like I say, could be preaching to the choir, but I'm yet to see signs of priming fluid being used on any threads.
I added the MSDS for those curious enough.
http://www.vinidex.com.au/page/mater...ta_sheets.html
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:22 AM   #2
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Never done, never needed it, never have had any problems. Use good, cheap, ole store bought CA!
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:12 AM   #3
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There are several types of CA glue on the market. From fast to slow, from thick to thin.
I find that cleaning your tire with basically a wet rag is all that's needed to bond the tire. Even with cut and shut. Even some of the softer tires do better simply because they are a more open foam rubber.

Most tires have a molding agent on them. But again all that's needed is a damp towel and wipe and let dry.

I also find that a medium thin CA glue is the easiest to use. Dries fast enough to work the tire around the rim. And fast enough for cut and shut.

No need for any bonding agent. Now if your using beadlocks, don't worry about it. You shouldn't need the glue at all.

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Old 02-14-2011, 01:31 AM   #4
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Make sure you take it easy on them on their first run, Loctite 406 is a rigid bonding CA glue and has very little flex. When I did my Cut and shut tyres I only used 406 to tack them into place before using SC2000 from Crawler innovations.
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I always clean with iso alchol and use losi (blue) tire glue to do tires. Holds truggy and buggy tires
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I always clean with iso alchol
Which removes the mold release agent remaining after the tire manufacturing process.

Tires should always be cleaned before gluing.

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I don't use the priming agents or accelerators. In my experience they make the CA harder and more brittle. The tires I made using any accelerator all failed. What I have found to be the most important is a quality CA glue like Bob Smith Industries like the kind I sell in the Crawler Innovations store.
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I use medium CA. I buy the applicator tips in 12" rolls and cut a 1 inch piece. Slip in in the CA bottle as deep as it will go. Clean the bead and the wheel with Nitro Clean ( i use it because I always have it around for my Nitros) seat the tire, turn the bottle upside down and work the bead open and closed. Rubber band the side you glued and let sit for at least 30 minutes. Repeat 7 more times.
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I don't use the priming agents or accelerators. In my experience they make the CA harder and more brittle. The tires I made using any accelerator all failed. What I have found to be the most important is a quality CA glue like Bob Smith Industries like the kind I sell in the Crawler Innovations store.
BSI makes the best CA hands down. Only other thing I'll use is the losi tire glue in a pinch.
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Make sure you take it easy on them on their first run, Loctite 406 is a rigid bonding CA glue and has very little flex. When I did my Cut and shut tyres I only used 406 to tack them into place before using SC2000 from Crawler innovations.
I used LOCTITE gel control first, it was very ridgid, but should be ok. Te 406 after priming was much better. I can flex and stretchthe rubber more than it'll be flexed or pulled in crawling use and still good. In saying that, I'm yet to drive them.

Where I am out in the country, I have to use what I can find. The LOCTITE 406 was a lucky find, the only one in town, after much searching. I'd love to get some BSIsc2000, but can't justify the expense to get it shipped at the moment with the family expanding soon. One of these days I'll get around to ordering some....
Whilst I bow to the wisedom of those who have gone before me, sometimes (most of the time) I have to get creative with materials, look at what is available and think of a use. The priming fluid struck me as a viable option. If the tires are no good, no biggy, they were only VENOM 1/8th's on sale $10 pr with rock-lizard side walls. Like I say, using what was there......
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