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01-16-2012, 10:46 AM | #1 |
Tire&Foam Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: C.I. Compound, Tyler, Texas
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| -_- 6.5" Axial Ripsaw Cut N Shuts By Crawler Innovations -_- Since the release of the Axial Wraith, I have received many requests for taller 2.2 cut n shut tires. As Crawler Innovations grows, my time becomes more & more limited. That makes it impossible for me to deliver custom tire orders in a timely matter. So I accept only a few orders at a time and it often takes weeks to get those done. A local ETXRCC club member (Paul) was willing to wait and he allowed a blank canvas to work with. I wanted something tall and different and this is what I came up with for his Axial Wraith. 6.5" Tall, R35 compound, Axial Ripsaws with Panther Cougar sidewalls. 6.5" Ripsaw on Left; 5.5" Sedona on Right: 6.5" Ripsaw on Left; 5.5" Sedona on Right: It has been well over a year that I have been receiving requests for a better quality foam for the scale rc crawler community as well. They needed a foam that would support the weight of custom scalers, and I felt we needed a better foam system than the first one I designed. I wanted to release a foam in a new material no one had tried in crawlers before. I wanted it to be water proof and not break down like conventional foam. I also wanted something better for tall 2.2 tires and faster vehicles. Myself and a few others have been working together on this for 8 months. We tested 4 different proto types before finally putting a design into production (and will be available for sale early February). Pictured below is one of those proto type closed cell inner. The 2.2 bead lock wheel is a Vanquish Products, V3 - Respun; 1.35" width; SLW. The inner foam is a 6.0" Closed Cell inner that is 1.75" width. The tire bead area of the inner foam has been machined to allow clearance for the tire to seat into the bead lock. The outer is (the standard or conventional foam) 6.0" Double Deuce with tuning ring. On Paul's wraith we ran medium outers in the front and firm outers in the back. The machined Double Deuce closed cell inner: Tire height comparison with an Axial Wraith in the back ground. Mounted on the customer's Wraith: My son's Wraith on the left with 6.0" Tall Rovers & Paul's Wraith on the right with 6.5" Tall Ripsaws: |
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01-16-2012, 12:19 PM | #2 |
RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Crawlerado
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Those look freaking awesome. Would going to a slightly taller Tim help with sidewall deflection?
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01-16-2012, 12:56 PM | #3 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: poteau
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question about your new inner foams. do you or can you glue the outer foam to the new foam? what i'm thinking is modifying one of the new inner foams to fit on a narrower wheel. mine are .7 inch wide. would it be possible to narrow the inner foam, like cutting a section out of the middle so i wouldn't mess up the tire bead surface, and glue it back together?
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01-16-2012, 01:09 PM | #4 |
RCC Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Auburn, MI
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NICE.. That is some very good work right there. Those truely make the wraith look like a TTC vehicle, you would expect to see at the 4-wheel shoot out. Congrats, you have outdone yourself again. I was just thinking the other day, the foams in my sedonas are about a year old and it looks like they are getting a little soft. Maybe it is time to switch the tires out to the newer set and get some new foams for the old girls. Looks like it is the right time. |
01-16-2012, 01:39 PM | #5 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Burque
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Those look flippin sweet... Good job man |
01-16-2012, 03:09 PM | #6 |
RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bozangeles
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Damn where are the seams!!!! I can't find them! lol nice job yet again Last edited by ScaleFreak93; 01-16-2012 at 04:30 PM. |
01-16-2012, 03:53 PM | #7 | |||
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The most common aluminum comp wheel width is 1". All of Axial's 2.2 bead locks are 1.25" width. The average / common comp tire width is 2" minimum. The sedona is much wider for instance. .7" wheels stretch the tires around the foam onto a very narrow wheel. In doing so, it crowns / rounds the tire, making for a smaller contact patch. That smaller contact patch reduces side hill stability. The stretched tire also squishes the foams which makes the tire / truck bouncy from the kinetic energy of the all the foam being stuffed inside. If the wheel is the base or platform, and the inner foam in the next layer, a wider base will give the foam a better platform to work from. With a .7" wheel, you are basically making a rolling wedge. The tire is wide going down to a point at the wheel. How is that stable? Especially when compared to a rover or sedona mounted on a 1.25" wheel which has a very square profile and a flat and wide contact patch? The tires retain the desired / designed shape, the foams are not over compressed and they perform very predictably. With the new foam system, every foam uses the same inner density but in different widths and heights. All the adjustment now comes from which height inner you choose (there are four 2.2 sizes coming) along with what outer foams (two different sizes for 2.2 in three different densities) and outer tuning rings. I had a meeting with VP about this very issue. .7" wheels do not work well and I'm not going to focus anytime on them. Until a manufacturer makes a narrow tire to go with a narrow wheel, I'm following Axial's lead on 1.25" width bead locks and 2" width tires. This goes for scalers also. 1" width 1.9 bead locks is what the new dual stage foam system is based around. Same for the 2.2 wheels. Wider wheels will start being more common as our hobby moves forward. Manufacturers are listening and know the bigger and heavier scalers need wider wheels. Quote:
Thank you very much for the compliment and your continued support. I also agree with you about the wraith. Once I got my wraith I was thinking taller tires looked more scale on it. Thank you. Thank you. The seams on the ripsaw tires are pictured right in the middle of most of the pictures. I always try and photograph my worst tire so that people don't have great expectations and then get disappointed. I figure if the worst one can get compliments, the other three should be good to go. | |||
01-16-2012, 05:34 PM | #8 |
RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Crawlerado
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| Re: -_- 6.5" Axial Ripsaw Cut N Shuts By Crawler Innovations -_- Stupid smart phone. Would going to a taller rim work better, or does the new closed cell foam keep the sidewalls supported?
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01-16-2012, 06:21 PM | #9 |
Rock Stacker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: East Texas
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These new inner foams keep the sidewalls supported amazingly. I was really amazed at how well it side-hills. Almost zero sidewall roll, and the outer foams let the tires do what they are suppose to. I would have never guessed that they would work so well. Thanks again Eddie, these tires are awesome. Last edited by paulwf150; 01-16-2012 at 06:27 PM. |
01-17-2012, 09:17 AM | #10 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: ?
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If the size rule is Class-3 “Modified” Details: • 146mm / 5.75" max tire size with a 2.2 max rim size (including spare) What would a 6.5 tire help with? |
01-17-2012, 09:22 AM | #11 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Castle Rock, WA
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01-17-2012, 09:39 AM | #12 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Longview
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01-17-2012, 09:58 AM | #13 |
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01-17-2012, 10:50 AM | #14 |
Suck it up! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas
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The tires are awesome, but I can't tell you how anxious I am to get ahold of those new inners. Thanks to Szczerba for letting me feel up his rig. |
01-17-2012, 11:05 AM | #15 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Corruptifornia
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Velly nice and I like your new closed cell 2-stage foams for Wraith sized tires...watchin this closely for my new Wraith kit.
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01-17-2012, 11:09 AM | #16 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Corruptifornia
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And I agree with you on tire and wheel width....some of the stuff these days is way too narrow!
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01-17-2012, 11:13 AM | #17 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2007 Location: Taylors Falls just hanging with the MNRCRC crew.
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O boy those could be a game changer. |
01-17-2012, 11:43 AM | #18 | ||||||
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Why does there have to be so many rules? Why do I have to create products to fit inside those rules? My local club is shrinking every month because of them. No one wants to use SORCCA rules locally. It's all about Crawler Innovations G6 style rules here. The rules are beginning to take the fun out of RC Crawling and limit creativity and classes. I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, if it's not about having fun and hanging with like minded individuals, what's the point? X2 Quote:
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I'm thinking the same thing Norm, thank you. | ||||||
01-17-2012, 04:36 PM | #19 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Corruptifornia
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This whole wheels sticking way out while stuffed onto narrow little wheels has frustrated me so much that I bought a set of stock XR-10 beadlocks to try! I'm not buying some blingy beadlocks until I see exactly what I want. I want wheels that are properly inset for my wide Wraith axles so that my kingpin steering axis is at or near the center of the tire's contact patch for better steering and the ability to squeeze BETWEEN the rocks while climbing a gnarly sidehill. Tires properly supported by the rim and foam work best. | |
01-17-2012, 04:59 PM | #20 |
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Monsters!
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