New Incision wheels coming....

[CarterFab]

Originally Posted by DowntownScience

It's still going to get discussed no matter where it gets posted first.

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There's no discussion. It's people just spewing false claims and being pricks for whatever internal reason they have to do so. People are gonna hate on everything. Difference is I've never gone into another post about an "inferior" item just to stir shit up like people do when it's a VP part or of the like.

[DowntownScience]

VP should have expected it. They're now offering an inexpensive line of items after fleecing people for years! They could have done this all along. Must have been seeing a loss of market share due to these inferior Chinese priducts. If they weren't then the Incision line would never have been necessary.

Does everyone understand how business works?

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[CarterFab]

It was created for competition. Not because they "realized they were way overpriced and overkill for the market." Hahaha!! That's incredibly presumptive and ignorant of a claim.
Proof that you can have the very high quality parts and a more marketable price point but having to sacrifice some detail, but never integrity. And by detail. We aren't talking machine finish. We are talking about small stuff like machined scale weld beads found on the VP line that take stuff to the next level. Stainless instead of titanium.
Did y'all know that most the cast aluminum parts have lead in them which is why they are weak and extremely inexpensive?
Not the same stuff they use in 1:1 like y'all claim, just the same process. Two very different things.
There is no convincing anyone and it's fine. Problem is threads are useless for new people because they see the header, open the thread, and it's a bunch of haters and zero info on the actual matter.
People still wonder why forum traffic is dying and social media is soaring.

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by CarterFab

There's no discussion. It's people just spewing false claims and being pricks for whatever internal reason they have to do so. People are gonna hate on everything. Difference is I've never gone into another post about an "inferior" item just to stir shit up like people do when it's a VP part or of the like.

Oh the irony!

There are lots of false claims on this thread about Chinese wheels too. In fact, you are the one that brought China into this discussion.

[CarterFab]

Originally Posted by DowntownScience

VP should have expected it. They're now offering an inexpensive line of items after fleecing people for years! They could have done this all along. Must have been seeing a loss of market share due to these inferior Chinese priducts. If they weren't then the Incision line would never have been necessary.

Does everyone understand how business works?

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You clearly don't and have zero inside info. Just assumptions. They aren't hurting at all, just expanding in leaps and bounds. Not a single part is overpriced. But if you knew anything about manufacturing and machine costs, that would be a different story.

Great machine work isn't cheap.
Cheap machine work isn't great.

[DowntownScience]

Originally Posted by CarterFab

It was created for competition. Not because they "realized they were way overpriced and overkill for the market." Hahaha!! That's incredibly presumptive and ignorant of a claim.
Proof that you can have the very high quality parts and a more marketable price point but having to sacrifice some detail, but never integrity. And by detail. We aren't talking machine finish. We are talking about small stuff like machined scale weld beads found on the VP line that take stuff to the next level. Stainless instead of titanium.
Did y'all know that most the cast aluminum parts have lead in them which is why they are weak and extremely inexpensive?
Not the same stuff they use in 1:1 like y'all claim, just the same process. Two very different things.
There is no convincing anyone and it's fine. Problem is threads are useless for new people because they see the header, open the thread, and it's a bunch of haters and zero info on the actual matter.
People still wonder why forum traffic is dying and social media is soaring.

Excuse my wording in that post, but that is what I was saying. They were losing market share to inferior Chinese poducts and needed to make something to compete because not everyone can afford the overpriced, overkill, shiny products they were already offering.

All these scale details you reference get destroyed if you drive the truck anyway. Who cares unless you've built a shelf queen?

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[DowntownScience]

Cheap machine work gets the job done in R/C! These aren't 1:1's like you referenced.

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[DowntownScience]

Originally Posted by CarterFab

You clearly don't and have zero inside info. Just assumptions. They aren't hurting at all, just expanding in leaps and bounds. Not a single part is overpriced. But if you knew anything about manufacturing and machine costs, that would be a different story.

Great machine work isn't cheap.
Cheap machine work isn't great.

Is that what the owner told you...or are you just making assumptions because you're buddies with Harley?

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[SCREAMER]

The triple post is back! Classy

[DowntownScience]

You can thank Tapatalk for that. The guy who likes to make personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic is back! We all know you love VP Screamer. No need to weigh in.

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[DowntownScience]

Originally Posted by SCREAMER

The triple post is back! Classy

Feel free to tell on me to your favorite Mod again!

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[Drm31078]

I am learning some stuff about machining and metallurgy so maybe the mods won't shut this thread down yet.....come on folks, my only intent was to share some new info...not create a public debate. Once Incision officially announces these, this thread is worthless anyway. Kinda regret starting it to be honest.

[DowntownScience]

Originally Posted by Drm31078

I am learning some stuff about machining and metallurgy so maybe the mods won't shut this thread down yet.....come on folks, my only intent was to share some new info...not create a public debate. Once Incision officially announces these, this thread is worthless anyway. Kinda regret starting it to be honest.

You did nothing wrong. No worries! Everything was there at Axialfest anyway.

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[CarterFab]

Reference to your last few posts. Wrong, wrong, nope.
Most like to look good while beating on their rigs. Or to have them look as real as possible while doing so in photos and videos. Not everyone wants parts that look like they came out of Willy Wonkas candy factory.
Something for everyone, but people love to jump into a VP thread and turn up the hate. Wether it was originally directed at the product or the poster.
I know for a fact because I have worked closely with the people at VP for several years. I don't know Harley personally, we've had probably a total of three one sentence pms over 8 years, sure he's a nice guy. But nice try on more untruth. Proof that people can't accept facts and just let something go but instead try and make stupid claims.

[SCREAMER]

Where are you guys getting all this from? You just make stuff up and call it truth. This whole thread has gone to shit and I hope it gets deleted soon. Nobody told on you DS. You tell on yourself with every post, i mean every three posts. Personal attacks? That's your favorite method. I know I help people because they tell me. Our interaction and contributions on this forum are quite different. I want to help, you want to be right. I'll say it once more so everyone can hear and not take this out of context. Buy what you like and stop insulting others.

[DowntownScience]

Originally Posted by CarterFab

Something for everyone, but people love to jump into a VP thread and turn up the hate.

Why do you think that is?

Also, I don't think it's wise to stir the shit as a vendor either because people can form a negative opinion of you and buy their products elsewhere. You should really think long and hard about staying out of the fray unless it has to do with your own product.

Just sayin'


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[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by DowntownScience

VP should have expected it. They're now offering an inexpensive line of items after fleecing people for years! They could have done this all along. Must have been seeing a loss of market share due to these inferior Chinese priducts. If they weren't then the Incision line would never have been necessary.

Does everyone understand how business works?

Apparently you don't understand it yourself.

Price your items at whatever high price point the market will pay consistently and you'll make money. The incision line is simply a simpler built line of parts. Not seconds or junk just less machine time so less over all cost. They aren't meant to compete with chicom that I can see but to provide a mid grade to the market. Looks like they've done a good job of that so far.

Originally Posted by CarterFab

People still wonder why forum traffic is dying and social media is soaring.

Social media let's the user edit comments and block those posters they don't like directly without a moderator as a middle man. It's real easy on other forms of social media to get nothing but nut swingers falling all over your every word whereas on forums you get a better cross section of replies once you realize who the dicktards are that hate everything you do and ignore them.

[DowntownScience]

Originally Posted by SCREAMER

Where are you guys getting all this from? You just make stuff up and call it truth. This whole thread has gone to shit and I hope it gets deleted soon. Nobody told on you DS. You tell on yourself with every post, i mean every three posts. Personal attacks? That's your favorite method. I know I help people because they tell me. Our interaction and contributions on this forum are quite different. I want to help, you want to be right. I'll say it once more so everyone can hear and not take this out of context. Buy what you like and stop insulting others.

You like to help steer people to VP products and then shame those who don't comply. Whatever brother, you're a Saint on this forum!

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[SCREAMER]

Sure if VP has the best quality option for their purpose. For the record I don't endorse VP shocks.

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by SCREAMER

Sure if VP has the best quality option for their purpose. For the record I don't endorse VP shocks.

VP makes shocks? Huh, never knew that. Off to their site I go!