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Old 02-13-2019, 06:18 AM   #1
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Default Servo rod end has damaged side wall. Rare? Solutions?

Maybe you guys deal with this all the time, when you mix brands, but I noticed that the servo rod end where it attaches to the knuckle arm on my scx10ii has been rubbing against the inner wall of my TRX4 Canyon Trail tire. Not all the time, but when the tire distorts under certain crawling conditions. Not much room there, as you can see.



Luckily I caught it in time and have swapped the front tire with an undamaged one from the back.

This picture was taken after I shortened the ball at the top, because it was the screw head making contact, and I shaved away some plastic from the rod end just to be safe.

Is this a common thing? Are there standard solutions?

Thanks....

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Old 02-13-2019, 06:23 AM   #2
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Default Re: Servo rod end has damaged side wall. Rare? Solutions?

Just need a different offset on your rims

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Old 02-13-2019, 06:25 AM   #3
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Can you put that in layman's terms? Do you mean buy new rims?

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Old 02-13-2019, 06:28 AM   #4
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Is this a common thing? Are there standard solutions?
Common when you have a wheel with very little (or negative) offset and with very wide tires. If you are using Traxxas tires on Traxxas wheels as it appears, then you have both of those things going on.

The solution is either wider hexes to push the wheels out, buy wheels with more offset to get the tire more clearance, or narrower tires.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:44 AM   #5
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Put the tie rod below the knuckle arm and the drag link on the top.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:46 AM   #6
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A ha. A quick surf reveals that some manufacturers, like SSD, spell it out, so you can purchase accordingly.

SPECIFICATION

Width: 25.5mm

Offset: 1.0mm

Backspacing: 13.75mm

Weight: 75g

And even include a helpful diagram!



Pitbull is good too...

Width with inner ring: 1.082 (27.48mm)
Offset: .245 (6.22mm)
Backspacing: .330 (8.38mm)

Others make you do the math: .80" wide at the bead surface, 1.0" to outside of wheel

Pro-line gives you width, diameter, and that's it.

Axial doesn't even give you width--fits most tires.

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Old 02-13-2019, 07:47 AM   #7
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Worth a try. Thanks.
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Put the tie rod below the knuckle arm and the drag link on the top.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:58 AM   #8
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I like the hex idea, too. The stock ones are 5mm and there's at least 3mm unused thread past the lock nut. There was even a good thread here in the forum.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:58 AM   #9
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You need wider hexs moving the position of the links will cause more problems you can also put a small washer between the hex and the rim maybe 1mm thick but you realy need 2mm or more to completly stop the rubbing and to many washer under the hex will cause the wheel hex to strip out so your best option is bigger hexes maybe $5-10 dollers
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:08 AM   #10
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Thanks. I'm seeing some nice 12 by 8mm hexes in aluminum and brass.

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You need wider hexs moving the position of the links will cause more problems you can also put a small washer between the hex and the rim maybe 1mm thick but you realy need 2mm or more to completly stop the rubbing and to many washer under the hex will cause the wheel hex to strip out so your best option is bigger hexes maybe $5-10 dollers
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Put the tie rod below the knuckle arm and the drag link on the top.

If you do this just be aware that you will be changing the steering geometry. The drag link and pan hard bar should be roughly parallel to each other. By moving the outer end of the drag link down relative to the servo horn, aka pitman arm, you will induce bump steer in the steering. To compensate you will also need to space the inboard rod end down the same amount. Finally as a consequence the tie rod will now be lower and more vulnerable to potential impact damage.

IMO, the best way to offset the wheel back space is to use a wider wheel mount hex which will also widen the overall track width making the truck more stable.

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Old 02-13-2019, 09:36 AM   #12
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Thanks again, everyone. Just looking at the rims I have, and the offset, gonna take a wild guess and say that 90% of all those TRX4s out there got just a tad wider when their owners upgraded.
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Old 02-14-2019, 01:33 PM   #13
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Maybe someone can explain why some of the hexes I see have -- don't know what you call it -- a shoulder (step?) to a slightly raised circular section.
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Be sure you are looking at hexes for the SCX10ii and not the TRX4. They are different.
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Yeah, thanks. I'm beginning to understand there's a lot of variables. Easy to order the wrong thing. No rush. I can still drive...everyday.


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Clearance issues resolved and the rig looks meaner than it did before.









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As mentioned the Traxxas tires are wider than some and are therefore more likely to rub. Moving tie-rod below the knuckle on both sides will work, but is more likely to drag on obstacles and get hung up. Slightly wider hexes can help, but I like to keep the track narrow (stock) for maneuvering through tight spots and scale looks. I'll go 2-3mm wider per side with hexes sometimes if needed but sometimes just the front wheels, and yes real trucks are sometimes built this way. The aluminum hexes you've pictured have a rounded off area at the outside where they mate inside the wheel hex, I've rounded out some wheels due to hexes like this with hard crawling. Now I much prefer hexes that have all the material there, just the slightest barely visible rounding to get rid of the sharp edge is much better. Traxxas Slash 2wd front wheel hexes are about 2-3mm wider than the rears and I've used them several times, keep a pack in my box for future wheel/axle combos.
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Maybe you guys deal with this all the time, when you mix brands, but I noticed that the servo rod end where it attaches to the knuckle arm on my scx10ii has been rubbing against the inner wall of my TRX4 Canyon Trail tire. Not all the time, but when the tire distorts under certain crawling conditions. Not much room there, as you can see.



Luckily I caught it in time and have swapped the front tire with an undamaged one from the back.

This picture was taken after I shortened the ball at the top, because it was the screw head making contact, and I shaved away some plastic from the rod end just to be safe.

Is this a common thing? Are there standard solutions?

Thanks....


The Traxxas canyons are much wider than most other 1.9s.

Your wheel offset looks pretty snug too.

Id get new rims to push those out some.


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Old 03-07-2019, 06:14 AM   #19
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I was a skeptical myself when the hexes arrived via post with such chamfered edges. The severity of my crawling or lack thereof might mitigate this, plus the Traxxas rims are not meant to be permanent. I will report back after field testing (if winter ever ends).

Thanks everyone for the advice, and have a great day.

Cheers...

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The aluminum hexes you've pictured have a rounded off area at the outside where they mate inside the wheel hex, I've rounded out some wheels due to hexes like this with hard crawling. Now I much prefer hexes that have all the material there, just the slightest barely visible rounding to get rid of the sharp edge is much better. Traxxas Slash 2wd front wheel hexes are about 2-3mm wider than the rears and I've used them several times, keep a pack in my box for future wheel/axle combos.
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