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Old 05-12-2020, 06:26 PM   #21
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Learn to drive , brother ...nobody needs training wheels

Fakebook type comments like this add nothing to the discussion. Clearly, a number of manufacturers feel portals are a coming thing so you best get used to them brother.
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:10 PM   #22
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What size foams are you running? I think Eddie (CI) over-sizes his foams a bit. For a 4.75" tire I prefer running his 4.5" foams for a good combination of grip / sidehill performance. For most rigs (even heavy ones) I feel like the 4.75" inners are too tall. That said I still 100% believe that CI foams are a way better starting point than just about anything out there.

But yeah, as others have mentioned, setup, driving style, ect. all play a role in how we'll you'll do on the rocks.
I have quite a few sets of the popular tires with both Crawler Innovations and Proline Foams.

Hyrax - Super Swampers - Krawler G8/Krawler Predator All have Proline Dual Stage
Proline BFG Mud Terrain Predator - Proline Dual Stage/Single Stage Combo

Pit Bull Rock Beast C.I. Rock Beast Foams
RC4WD IROK C.I. Lil Nova/Deuces Wild Combo
Axial R35 Nitto Trail Grappler C.I. Lil Nova 4.25 Soft/Med
Axial R35 Maxxas Trepador C.I. Lil Nova 4.25 Soft/Med
Axial BFG All Terrain C.I. Lil Nova 4.25 Soft/Soft
Ottsix KLR Silver C.I. Lil Nova 4.25 Soft Med

Waiting on Ottsix KLR Gold to show Up, have C.I. Lil Nova 4.25 Soft/Soft Ready to Go When they arrive.
On a Waiting List for Duratrax Deepwoods, have to figure that one out yet.
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Old 05-13-2020, 03:06 AM   #23
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Fakebook type comments like this add nothing to the discussion. Clearly, a number of manufacturers feel portals are a coming thing so you best get used to them brother.
Well...its still kinda cheating for me , brother .
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Well...its still kinda cheating for me , brother .
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I just got home after heading back out to the state park I crawled yesterday. I spent most the day out there running the same two rigs with the exception that I vented the Krawlers and Swapped my Hyrax back on my Cherokee. What a difference a day makes!

I had the place to myself in regards to crawling and was able to get some productive work done. Iím not going to say I have the spot mastered, but I learned a lot...and Iím very happy with the progress I made. I was able to figure out how to navigate most the lines the way I like to drive, and Iím still working on a few lines I couldnít make work the way I wanted them to. Yesterday was pretty much what Iíd consider bashing or rock bouncing, not my preferred method of crawling. My rig took a beating yesterday and his was already beat to death. Today was a completely different story.

I was pretty aggravated and frustrated when I got home yesterday, not rationally thinking about it!
I think our differing driving styles played a part as well. He forced his truck to go where he took it or it went for a tumble.(Which was quite often). I tried the same thing and believe that made my day worse as I was tearing my trucks up, and having little success.

The properly vented Krawlers and Hyrax both worked great today, and Iím looking forward to getting back out there again, hoping to build on the knowledge and experience I gained today. The foam thing was probably more pure frustration than anything else.
That was the best thing you could have done. Dont just instantly blast the truck/tires/foams as being bad. You took the initiative to actually go and practice and try different things. Kudos to that.


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I wouldn't discount the fact that the TRX has portals whereas your 10 and 10ii do not (I assume).
Portals help but honestly if their not dragging pumpkins portals mean nothing in the equation.

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What size foams are you running? I think Eddie (CI) over-sizes his foams a bit. For a 4.75" tire I prefer running his 4.5" foams for a good combination of grip / sidehill performance. For most rigs (even heavy ones) I feel like the 4.75" inners are too tall. That said I still 100% believe that CI foams are a way better starting point than just about anything out there.
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I used to be all about fighting the dual stage foams into my tires and they always seemed overstuffed to me and I would fight the wheels and get frustrated the throw shit while mounting. Anymore, I buy slightly smaller, and more often than not, just ribbed single stage. Vent and that nice air gap allows for my tires to conform like a 1:1 tire on a beadlock would and the single stage keeps things nice and solid for side hilling and steep descents and ascents. Works for me, although I don't claim to know whats best for everyone.
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So is softer foams better for climbing and the dual stage foams for all around use?
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Old 05-16-2020, 12:30 PM   #30
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What about these for the wet ??
They are pricey but worth it!
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Old 05-16-2020, 06:33 PM   #31
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I had watched a video recently with Jared Tebo and he talked about glueing tires and tire foam prep for off road tires..yes I know way different but I think there was good pointers on where and how to cut foams to allow the tire to sit on the surface. V cuts, down the center vs on the outsides, sipping the foams, grooves in the foams, ect... the different cuts allowed the tires to grip the surface better. If someone is curious lmk I can find the link or you can try and find it on YouTube
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So is softer foams better for climbing and the dual stage foams for all around use?
Softer foams are like having lower air pressure in your 1:1....

It increases the contact patch and conforms better to the terrain. Up to a certain point, a super soft tire is going to give you the most traction possible. The downside is rc tires do not have any built in sidewall support, thus the foams. Without sidewall support, you have issues with the tire tread folding over when turning, and "wrapping it self around the wheel....
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Old 05-17-2020, 06:02 AM   #33
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I had watched a video recently with Jared Tebo and he talked about glueing tires and tire foam prep for off road tires..
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:13 AM   #34
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I just added CI dual stage to my SCX10.3 and I am very pleased with the improved sidehilling.
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