Help me ID this Old Mill

[frdtrkguy]

Does anyone recognize this set up? It's old and functional. Looks to be a horizontal mill with a Tree vertical head attachment. What's it worth?

[tom@vp]

its a tree, that is the brand. they are still kicking i think....


It looks like it is a vertical, with ability to add an attachment for horizontal planing. not many people do that

it was used heavily during the war, for heavy stock removal on steel.

im guessing the motor may not be stock...

** I only read the title. worth wise, maybe 1 - 2 k tops , if most everything works ....

the phase converter is a few hundred alone.....

[frdtrkguy]

I doesn't look like anything iv'e found searching online?? The head is Tree but I suspect it may have been retro fitted to a Horizontal machine?? Or maybe thats the way it came.. I need some kinda model number so I can research it..

[tom@vp]

Originally Posted by frdtrkguy

I doesn't look like anything iv'e found searching online?? The head is Tree but I suspect it may have been retro fitted to a Horizontal machine?? Or maybe thats the way it came.. I need some kinda model number so I can research it..

the model # should be on the base on a plaque.

[tom@vp]

the one turn off to me, is no scales,
and the backlash on the lead screws is lilkey sloppy,
parts may be tough to get..

[frdtrkguy]

Good info Tom. I just paid 500 bucks for It and I have no idea how Im gonna move it yet..

I caught it 30 min after it was posted on CL and figured it was worth the 500 even if I scrap it.. But I went and checked it out and it works at least all of the feeds and the spindle runs. Im not sure what the motor on the side does. Does it power the table up and down?

And why the hell does that horizontal bar extend sooo far out of the back side of the machine??

[tom@vp]

Originally Posted by frdtrkguy

Good info Tom. I just paid 500 bucks for It and I have no idea how Im gonna move it yet..

I caught it 30 min after it was posted on CL and figured it was worth the 500 even if I scrap it.. But I went and checked it out and it works at least all of the feeds and the spindle runs. Im not sure what the motor on the side does. Does it power the table up and down?

And why the hell does that horizontal bar extend sooo far out of the back side of the machine??

well with out a forklift there are still ways.

you can rent rigging skates, you can roll it on round bar stock, but pushing will be a rough job, they are little tanks.

there is an attchment not shown for the planning part, i wouldnt worry about it, its near useless and expensive for the planing mills....

they look something like this

[tom@vp]

hell to be honest, that could be something else, like for broaching, its hard to tell, i have not seen that exact model before...

that little motor is throwing me off, doesn't look stock ...

[billybob_81067]

As mentioned before it does look like a horizontal milling machine converted with a vertical milling head. That motor on the side looks to have a belt going to the horizontal spindle, although I doubt it was originally like that and wouldn't have much gear reduction with that setup. The horizontal bar that extends out so far is a support bar that you would have used with the horizontal mill to support the cutter on the end when using a long cutter bar.

For 500 bucks you should be able to make some parts with it!

[tom@vp]

The base still looks like a vertical to me

The dedicated horizontal machines have a different style, more choked up and shorter.

[billybob_81067]

Originally Posted by tom@vp

The base still looks like a vertical to me

The dedicated horizontal machines have a different style, more choked up and shorter.

I dunno, maybe I'm just used to more modern machines, but the pics he posted looked pretty wide and stocky like a horizontal to me! Also that circle on the column under the milling head looks to be where the horizontal spindle would be. I know they do make combination vertical/horizontal machines, but have never been around one...

[frdtrkguy]

I have been searching and I cant find a pic online that looks like this thing.. I wonder if it predates the more common Tree mills..

[tom@vp]

Originally Posted by billybob_81067

I dunno, maybe I'm just used to more modern machines, but the pics he posted looked pretty wide and stocky like a horizontal to me! Also that circle on the column under the milling head looks to be where the horizontal spindle would be. I know they do make combination vertical/horizontal machines, but have never been around one...

i agree, its just that subtle difference im referring too.
its a vertical/horizontal, not a horizontal/vertical.

they make both, the horizontal verticals are usually very stumpy.....

But im not sure, it has a nice base on it, lightly beefier than the typical vert/horz ....

[tom@vp]

Originally Posted by frdtrkguy

.. I wonder if it predates mills..

fixxed ! .... its an oldy .... the ram head is a dead giveaway, original bridge-ports used to be that way too...

[frdtrkguy]

You guys have any idea what it might weigh? Im getting a quote on a 3k capacity rental forklift. That should be enough right??

[tom@vp]

Originally Posted by frdtrkguy

You guys have any idea what it might weigh? Im getting a quote on a 3k capacity rental forklift. That should be enough right??

3k should work good, I've moved them with much less...

[frdtrkguy]

Originally Posted by tom@vp

fixxed ! .... its an oldy .... the ram head is a dead giveaway, original bridge-ports used to be that way too...

Shit, then maybe I need to sell it to a museum..

Originally Posted by tom@vp

3k should work good, I've moved them with much less...

Cool, Thanks, I really appreciate the info

[frdtrkguy]

This looks similar:

[tom@vp]

I would like to see the trig he used to calc that setup.

That is extreme 5 axis milling back in the day....

[Erik D_lux]

Originally Posted by tom@vp

I would like to see the trig he used to calc that setup.

That is extreme 5 axis milling back in the day....

Man, I guess!

Probably just taken for the picture but to think they did stuff like that back in the day is pretty awesome.