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4xFord · 07-15-2009, 03:59 PM

I remember the drama about the shocks being the measuring point on the Beetlejuice chassis when it first came out, but was their a final ruling on that, or was it just a "it depends on the judge" kind of thing? When I'm judging or running tech, im fine with measuring from the shock standoffs, but couldn't find or remember if their was anything final on that issue.
Thanks.

JeremyH · 07-16-2009, 10:12 AM

Here's the chassis in question:

The chassis measures 2.5" wide. When appropriate shock mounts are added, it measures more than 3" wide, but we were unsure of where the measurement needs to be taken.

ol' gravy leg · 07-16-2009, 10:29 AM

i dont have my shocks spaced out as far, but my side panels are flared to meet the requirements. it's legal for 2009, next year...who knows.

TwistedCreations · 07-17-2009, 05:24 AM

as the current 2009 rule stands, it is just overall width(so its good). But the intention of that rule was overlooked in the wording somehow(at least to half of the committee). So the rules committee has been going through the rules for 2010, to give us enough time to close some loopholes.. I can't remember at this time if it was a final decision or not yet, but I know the rockshow has changed to its new 2 panel setup, so that it measures 3" at the A and B pillars of the cab area(basically outside of tvp panel to outside of panel) and looks great and takes any question out that it meets the 3" mark

JeremyH · 07-17-2009, 07:00 AM

TC, thanks for the clarification for the rules for the remainder of this season.....I sent you a PM with more questions about the width measurement for next year's rules.

Jeremy

athenscyclist · 08-11-2009, 11:01 AM

Does anybody know when will the new rules be OUT?
I need to know if my rockshow will be "legal"

eric113 · 08-11-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

as the current 2009 rule stands, it is just overall width(so its good). But the intention of that rule was overlooked in the wording somehow(at least to half of the committee). So the rules committee has been going through the rules for 2010, to give us enough time to close some loopholes.. I can't remember at this time if it was a final decision or not yet, but I know the rockshow has changed to its new 2 panel setup, so that it measures 3" at the A and B pillars of the cab area(basically outside of tvp panel to outside of panel) and looks great and takes any question out that it meets the 3" mark

Does this also apply to the V1 Rockshow ?

JeremyH · 08-11-2009, 11:14 AM

Yep, I am waiting to see the wording as well...

Fishmaxx · 08-11-2009, 11:23 AM

Any changes to the wording of the Rules will not go into effect until 2010. Based on the discussions I have read in Rules Committee I believe both V1 and V2 Rockshows will be legal in 2010.

athenscyclist · 08-11-2009, 11:26 AM

Thats what I meant also V 1.0 rockshow.

Hey JeremyH if I can get my 2.2's together, I am going to try and make a couple of comps down in Houston.

JeremyH · 08-11-2009, 11:56 AM

Awesome! I'll send you a PM with our club info...

krawlfreak · 08-11-2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Any changes to the wording of the Rules will not go into effect until 2010. Based on the discussions I have read in Rules Committee I believe both V1 and V2 Rockshows will be legal in 2010.

thats good to hear.

don't you guys in the rules committee think it is weird that a 2.2 and a super both have the same width requirement? seems to me that the 2.2 should be slightly smaller. hey but what do i know.

ripper7777777 · 11-20-2009, 08:42 AM

Not to revive an old thread, but I'm working on a Bodiless and was wondering if there was any news about the new rule for the width.

Currently I plan to space the side plates out to 3"s at the hood and window lines at the skid it would be 2.5". It's a custom chassis design so no reference pics are available at the moment.

KrawlOff-Road.com · 11-20-2009, 09:41 AM

I have a few questions on this as well. It would be great if some from the rules committee could PM us, that would be great...

-Jason

JeremyH · 11-20-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krawler Hobbies

It would be great if some from the rules committee could PM us

No....post it here. You guys arent the only ones who want to know...

monkeyracer · 11-20-2009, 10:41 AM

I too would like to know about the width.

I'm in the planning stages for my Karnage2 Chassis, and want to know what's legal.

One other thing I wanted to know on bodiless is this:

A bodied vehicle needs to be a minimum of 3" tall, but a bodiless needs to be a minimum of 3.75".

Why the extra .75" for the bodiless?

I've noticed with the tunnels we have here, some of them are tight squeezes for the 3" bodies, so the 3.75" bodiless height makes it almost impossible (in this specific tunnel.)

Also, with the extra height turtled rollovers are also harder, makes it so the tires are further from the ground and harder to flip back over.

Why not make it the same height requirement for both?

ROCKEDUP RICKY · 11-20-2009, 12:59 PM

Here you go, hope this helps.

A- 3"
B-8"
C-3.75"

monkeyracer · 11-20-2009, 01:10 PM

Ricky,

I think the OP's question related to whether or not the shock standoffs were considered a part of the chassis to be considered for the overall width.

What about my question as far as why a bodied vehicle can be shorter than a bodiless vehicle? (Dimension C from your post.)

JeremyH · 11-20-2009, 01:11 PM

Ricky, that sure does clear it up! This is how the new rules will be, correct?

ripper7777777 · 11-20-2009, 01:47 PM

Thanks Rickey, crystal clear IMO.

MR I can't say for sure but I would think the reason for the different Dims is to give the bodiless some different limitations than the bodied, make you kinda think about your setup and weigh out the pro's and con's.

Just a guess.

07-15-2009, 03:59 PM	#1
4xFord I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 3,761	Bodiless Chassis Width I remember the drama about the shocks being the measuring point on the Beetlejuice chassis when it first came out, but was their a final ruling on that, or was it just a "it depends on the judge" kind of thing? When I'm judging or running tech, im fine with measuring from the shock standoffs, but couldn't find or remember if their was anything final on that issue. Thanks.

11-20-2009, 10:41 AM	#16
monkeyracer I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Golden Posts: 2,588	I too would like to know about the width. I'm in the planning stages for my Karnage2 Chassis, and want to know what's legal. One other thing I wanted to know on bodiless is this: A bodied vehicle needs to be a minimum of 3" tall, but a bodiless needs to be a minimum of 3.75". Why the extra .75" for the bodiless? I've noticed with the tunnels we have here, some of them are tight squeezes for the 3" bodies, so the 3.75" bodiless height makes it almost impossible (in this specific tunnel.) Also, with the extra height turtled rollovers are also harder, makes it so the tires are further from the ground and harder to flip back over. Why not make it the same height requirement for both? Last edited by monkeyracer; 11-20-2009 at 10:46 AM.

07-16-2009, 10:12 AM	#2
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Here's the chassis in question: The chassis measures 2.5" wide. When appropriate shock mounts are added, it measures more than 3" wide, but we were unsure of where the measurement needs to be taken.

07-16-2009, 10:29 AM	#3
ol' gravy leg Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 784	i dont have my shocks spaced out as far, but my side panels are flared to meet the requirements. it's legal for 2009, next year...who knows.

07-17-2009, 05:24 AM	#4
TwistedCreations Colt Python/SR9c Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: out in the shop, reloading ammo! Posts: 8,626	as the current 2009 rule stands, it is just overall width(so its good). But the intention of that rule was overlooked in the wording somehow(at least to half of the committee). So the rules committee has been going through the rules for 2010, to give us enough time to close some loopholes.. I can't remember at this time if it was a final decision or not yet, but I know the rockshow has changed to its new 2 panel setup, so that it measures 3" at the A and B pillars of the cab area(basically outside of tvp panel to outside of panel) and looks great and takes any question out that it meets the 3" mark

07-17-2009, 07:00 AM	#5
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	TC, thanks for the clarification for the rules for the remainder of this season.....I sent you a PM with more questions about the width measurement for next year's rules. Jeremy

08-11-2009, 11:01 AM	#6
athenscyclist Rock Stacker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Athens, TX Posts: 78	Does anybody know when will the new rules be OUT? I need to know if my rockshow will be "legal"

08-11-2009, 11:14 AM	#8
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Yep, I am waiting to see the wording as well...

08-11-2009, 11:23 AM	#9
Fishmaxx I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: on a Big Rock Posts: 7,837	Any changes to the wording of the Rules will not go into effect until 2010. Based on the discussions I have read in Rules Committee I believe both V1 and V2 Rockshows will be legal in 2010.

08-11-2009, 11:26 AM	#10
athenscyclist Rock Stacker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Athens, TX Posts: 78	Thats what I meant also V 1.0 rockshow. Hey JeremyH if I can get my 2.2's together, I am going to try and make a couple of comps down in Houston.

08-11-2009, 11:56 AM	#11
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Awesome! I'll send you a PM with our club info...

11-20-2009, 08:42 AM	#13
ripper7777777 Rock Crawler Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Humble Posts: 800	Not to revive an old thread, but I'm working on a Bodiless and was wondering if there was any news about the new rule for the width. Currently I plan to space the side plates out to 3"s at the hood and window lines at the skid it would be 2.5". It's a custom chassis design so no reference pics are available at the moment.

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11-20-2009, 09:41 AM	#14
KrawlOff-Road.com RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Anderson Posts: 1,332	I have a few questions on this as well. It would be great if some from the rules committee could PM us, that would be great... -Jason

11-20-2009, 12:59 PM	#17
ROCKEDUP RICKY Old guy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northwest Arkie-saw and we got ROCKS! Posts: 7,548	Here you go, hope this helps. A- 3" B-8" C-3.75"

11-20-2009, 01:10 PM	#18
monkeyracer I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Golden Posts: 2,588	Ricky, I think the OP's question related to whether or not the shock standoffs were considered a part of the chassis to be considered for the overall width. What about my question as far as why a bodied vehicle can be shorter than a bodiless vehicle? (Dimension C from your post.)

11-20-2009, 01:11 PM	#19
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Ricky, that sure does clear it up! This is how the new rules will be, correct?

11-20-2009, 01:47 PM	#20
ripper7777777 Rock Crawler Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Humble Posts: 800	Thanks Rickey, crystal clear IMO. MR I can't say for sure but I would think the reason for the different Dims is to give the bodiless some different limitations than the bodied, make you kinda think about your setup and weigh out the pro's and con's. Just a guess.

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