09-20-2017, 12:23 PM | #21 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: West Texas
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Moa crawler would be awesome. Axial has stopped the xr10 and the bulley is very popular but comps are getting popular again and it would be awesome to have some new life in that market. 149 r/c worx/scalerfab/team brood. |
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09-20-2017, 01:16 PM | #22 | |
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Unfortunately, on this one i can tell you without any doubt that it will not happen. Man I miss the comp days and at one point even had a MOA axle design started | |
09-20-2017, 01:19 PM | #23 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: West Texas
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I totally understand that. I think the market is there just a lot of cash out lay to find out. 149 r/c worx/scalerfab/team brood. |
09-20-2017, 05:16 PM | #24 |
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Ok, I concede the 2 speed idea, not very popular and cost too much. The rear upper link mount itself is fine, I still use the stock plastic piece, but it's the 2 screws that mount it to the axle, I have snapped a few of those and its damn near impossible to get the snapped off screw out of the plastic axle housing. If you could go up a size in the 2 mounting screws or something it would be as tough as nails then! I can't get my head around how the aftermarket alloy link mount can stop the screws from snapping, I would think it would make it worse. Please don't drop the small pumpkin, I like it! and lots of us have added sway bars and outboarded the shocks etc to help reduce it. Keep the cool pumpkin and diff gears but find a way to reduce TT. I have only snapped a drive pin after letting them wear down to nothing, snap the one in the diff out on the trail and it's very hard to repair in the field. |
09-20-2017, 05:36 PM | #25 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2006 Location: HONDURAS...ROCK HEAVEN
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Welcome back Rich |
09-20-2017, 05:38 PM | #26 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Douglassville, PA
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Welcome back - good to have you back here! I've had 2 Ascenders and use the rear axle on several other builds (CC01's) Very happy with them overall. My only feedback other than whats been mentioned would be to offer a rock buggy type of cage/body. The market is really starting to saturate with trucks, and something different would really stand out. 1.9 Wraiths are very popular builds, and for good reason - they are great performers, look different, and still scale to boot. A 1.9 rock buggy with a full plastic cage and Ascender running gear would be killer, and really stand out from other offerings. Even a cage adapted to work on the stock chassis would work for me. Just my 2 cents... On a side note, I had the opportunity to bash around in a parking lot with a V100 running 3S last weekend, and it was a beast. The driver needed a few lessons on cone navigation, but the chassis handled everything in stride. Very impressed with it overall! |
09-20-2017, 06:05 PM | #27 |
Slow is the new Fast Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Winterpeg
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Hey Rich, welcome back. It's nice to see a Horizon rep on the forum. Are you working with the Twin Hammers at all? We would love to see some bomb proof driveshafts for the TH. the set screws on the existing system break much too easily with upgraded electronics. Would also love to see some bomb proof cv axles. MIP seems to have lost interest in the TH sadly. *Yes I know this is an Ascender forum, sorry guys didn't mean to hijack |
09-20-2017, 06:30 PM | #28 | |
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Edit: we love the small axle pumpkins, please keep them small! 2. 2-speed is nice option, but doesn't seem very popular among crawlers. I love it built-in on my TRX-4, but on my Ascenders I'm going with 3S (same batteries in TRX4). 3. Stock ratio front axle with under drive rear would be awesome! Overdrive would increase TT, underdrive helps reduce it. Under-drive also increases climbing, steering, and side-hilling, the truck will also track straighter especially on climbs when the front end wants to slide off to either side instead of holding the intended line. 4. Upper link mount (especially the rear) needs a third mounting bolt near the top by the links! I've got some stock plastic link mounts that are permanently bent more upright, the current mount on my Blazer allows so much flex that the rear axle rolls under and is about to tear the link mount off the axle! Several people have broken the two mounting screws that attach this link mount to the axle housing. The aluminum mount is nice, but does not solve the breakage issue without a third mounting screw. Yeti.Stealth's extra screw through the link mount and axle housing has fixed this, but this should be incorporated into the RTR/kits. 5. I like the driveshafts because it reduces angularity of the end joints and is less parts count. Downside is little more pita to swap out. I've replaced the pins in mine with precision cut (nice square ends and fit so snug the pins kinda snap into place as the bearings that retain them are slid into place over them. Gunnar here on RCC makes these pins and they are a required upgrade imo. Well, looks like he might not make them anymore, but here's a link. Gunnar CVD pins! Last edited by Natedog; 09-20-2017 at 06:36 PM. | |
09-20-2017, 08:34 PM | #29 |
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Having recently picked up a TRX-4 as well, I'll be honest and say that my Ascender is getting a bit dusty. The biggest thing the TRX4 has going for it over the Ascender is portals. They simultaneously balance out gearing ratios so that torque steer is non-existent, and add more clearance. A V2 of the ascender that incorporates some of the aforementioned geometry changes and portal axels, and that can also come in at an aggressively lower price point than the TRX-4 (hint: sell it as a kit without a body and forgo the locking diffs and 2-speed) would steal a lot of Traxxas' lunch. Otherwise, I can see the Ascender losing sales this holiday season as it competes with the new offerings from Red Cat, Traxxas, HPI, and every other manu on the market. Some other thoughts: -Marketing team is asleep at the switch regarding the rear cage on the Chevy. I've mounted it to a proline Hilux, and others have mounted to the F250 and Chevy bodies from Proline as well. IMO if you're building a scale truggy and lack the skills/tools for building one from metal, the Truggy back for the ascender is a perfect starting point, and plays REALLY well with offerings from Proline. I'm sure proline would love to sell more bodies, and your boss would love to sell more trucks. Tell the world the Axial honcho isn't the only game in town! -You should make a trail truck with leaf spring solid axle rear and IDS front. Also the body should be a Third generation Toyota Tacoma Quad Cab with short bed. I'm suggesting...for a friend... |
09-21-2017, 10:58 AM | #30 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: san diego
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and my son likes tacomas hey if i can ask about a RWD Drift V100, a TH is fair game! afterall, he said he is working on multiple lines. | |
09-22-2017, 01:56 PM | #31 |
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1. Torque twist: The popular suspension tweaks improved the situation maybe 15% for me, including Vaterra aluminum shocks (that were not much better than the stock plastic IMHO). I'm good with the stiff shocks now, just wish I could've saved the time and expense of the earlier tricks 2. 2 speed: Of no consequence to me, if they were available I wouldn't have any interest 3. Over/under drive: Also of no interest to me...yet 4. Upper link mount: Non issue to me. I'm still running the stock mount after many, many miles with no problem 5. Driveshafts: To be honest, many of those many, many miles were driven before breaking the first pin. It was a long carry to the car as I usually carry field replaceable parts, and this definitely is not one, but no real big deal. Disassembly to replace the broken pin resulted in accomplishing periodic maintenance anyway. My only real gripe was that I had to buy a whole yoke/cup assy to get a new pin. Maybe make them a stand-alone service part in a 2-pack? Older new body choices would be great to see too, like 50's/60's. Blazers, 80's Toyotas and Fords of any year/model are played, and does anyone really need another Defender? |
09-22-2017, 05:36 PM | #32 | |
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This would be a game changer for the Ascender, and it's important that the gearbox is small and without 2 speed. More important to have interior space than a 2 speed that is just a novelty future. Cus almost everyone uses 3s now. Gives you plenty of speed and power with a brushed system. If you want even more power, people use brushless. 2 speed is not necessary at all with electric motors. But if you want to not only change the game but to end it all and be the winner of this crawler game. You should make the Ascender rear leaf sprung with the back free from stuff, so it will accommodate a full pickup bed or full interior in the back. A leafed back would also stiffen up the rear and reduce the effect from the torque twist. And yes, it would be a good idea to change the output to a normal one, cus if you break one on the trail, it is easy to replace shafts when you can access them, but not so when you have to disassemble the entire axle. Last edited by AngelowDoom; 09-22-2017 at 05:52 PM. | |
09-22-2017, 05:45 PM | #33 |
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Ridiculous suggestion? Why am I not the only one calling for it? I didn't say anything about front only. Yes a transfer case can accomplish both however is it realistic for the masses or just a select few? Their market is the come and go hobbist. They figure the more dedicated already know where to go. More things to break means more unhappy customers. We are the minority in horizons eyes. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk |
09-22-2017, 06:05 PM | #34 | |
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In my opinion my suggestion with a small front gearbox is the way to go. Then the overdrive can easy be done with the t-case, and it can also be selectable, so you can choose to use the future or not. Coupled with rear leafs that can accommodate full truck bed and help torque twist, it would definitely sell. It would also sell a lot of the parts alone, it they was kits available to convert existing Ascenders. One front motor/t-case kit, and one rear leaf kit. I would also suggest to release a builders version, without electronics, body, wheels and tires. And don't use any of those crappy screws on any new parts. All screws should have 2mm and 2.5mm heads. Last edited by AngelowDoom; 09-22-2017 at 07:11 PM. | |
09-22-2017, 06:17 PM | #35 |
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09-22-2017, 06:33 PM | #36 |
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And please, no portals Richard. Do your own thang, no need to copy the TRX-4, it's just a gimmicky kids truck anyway.
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09-23-2017, 07:53 AM | #37 | |
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1. Torque twist is the biggest complaint that most people have. The quick and dirty way to fix it is to use a rear sway bar, but the changing the upper link geometry seems to help the most. Unfortunately, no one has come up with a way to eliminate it without making the rear end stiff. Changing the drive ratio would help, but having a split transmission where the front and the rear rotate in opposite directions would allow for any ratio without TT. 2. To me personally, we have 5 Ascenders and they all have 2 speed transmissions installed. I would say about half of the locals have gone 2 speed, so I feel that it should, at the least, be a one bag option. 3. There are no competitions near me, not within 4 or 5 hours travel anyway. UD/OD is a comp thing and holds no value in my local group. One bag options are always nice and being able to poke that in the nose of snooty "other brand" fan boys is always a win. 4. The upper link mount itself is not the issue, the axle housing is. I have had 3 breaks in this area, all rears, and the housing is what has broken, not the mount. The pumpkin needs to be beefier where the mount bolts in. 5. I cannot say that I, or anyone in my local group, has had any real problems with driveshafts. I have broken yokes, both on driveshafts and CVDs, but not many and, frankly, that is an expected break in this hobby. Beefier pins and yokes for longer wear would be nice though. Most of my group has moved to MIP to be honest. 6. My personal peeve with the Ascender design is set screws on shafts. DONT DO THIS AGAIN PLEASE lol Take the extra step and drill the shafts so that i don't have to do it myself and then spend extra on through grub pins. There is nothing worse than someone who has their day spoiled because the driveshafts are constantly slipping on the transmission output. Thank you for listing to our input. I think I speak for us all when I say that we are awaiting the Ascender 2.0 with whatever (non-jeep) bodies that you guys decide on. | |
09-27-2017, 10:59 AM | #38 | |
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And yes sure, the TRX-4 is a kids toy truck, but the ascender is a mans toy truck. | |
09-27-2017, 11:03 AM | #39 | |
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09-28-2017, 03:34 PM | #40 | |
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And yes, I don't give a dam. I neater want them or like them. So please no portals for stock Ascender! A kit for those who want to have them ok. | |
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