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Old 02-07-2013, 01:59 PM   #1
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I've been here awhile, this is my first build on RCC so bare with me.I'm looking to retire my TLT sportsman rig with a Venom creeper.The baisics are done,Tranny,sideplates and lower links.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:15 PM   #2
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Here's a list of mods that are going into this build

The H R parts are rear lockouts,front C hubs and a AX10 front difflocker.

The Atomic parts are the Atomic rear difflocker.

The Axial Parts are the over drive ring and pinion

Vanquish high sterr 0 ackerman knuckles

RCP wheelyking MIP CVDs

Thats it for now.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:53 PM   #3
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this mite be prety cool. i know you will do some custom stuff to it hope you have it ready for the next comp.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:23 PM   #4
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this mite be prety cool. i know you will do some custom stuff to it hope you have it ready for the next comp.
It wont be ready for the next comp.I've gotta couple things up my sleeve that I hope will work.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:31 AM   #5
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Well the rear axle is done it only took 1 shim on the pinion to take up the extra movement there.The H R lockouts was a different story though when thay were put together the bearing inside the lockout would slide in and out about 1 1/2mm on both sides,I used 3 traxxas teflon washers on each side on the stub axle then put the axle through the lockout, problem solved.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:40 PM   #6
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I am waiting with baited breath for what you do with those wheelie king CVDs.........
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:07 AM   #7
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I am waiting with baited breath for what you do with those wheelie king CVDs.........
The wheely king axles are going in the venom housings.It was suposed to be a sumwhat simple fix for the run of weak cvds that where in the kits that our local hobby shop got.But I was a little to focused on the shaft end of the wheely king cvds,So the stub end will not work.
What I've done now is changed the stub ends from WK to the RCP TLT stub ends and several hour of serching for the rite bearings to use in the VP knuckles they will work,But as for being sumwhat simple and cost affective I do'nt think so but other might,Also the shaft end needs to be shortend and the flat sections need to be cut on them.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:05 AM   #8
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That was the problem i was having, everything that looks like it might work well had the wrong stub on it and once you swapped stubs, the cost was over my limit. .........sooooo the pig of a bronco is going SCX10 axles and the creepers are moving in under a much lighter tuber ;)
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That was the problem i was having, everything that looks like it might work well had the wrong stub on it and once you swapped stubs, the cost was over my limit. .........sooooo the pig of a bronco is going SCX10 axles and the creepers are moving in under a much lighter tuber ;)
The cheapest and strongest way I've found to fix the weak venom CVDs was I used two long berg dog bone shafts and cups in a club members venom(he broke 8 CVDs in less than a month)I cut them to length put the flat sides on them and shims for getting the pin centerd and was done.We used all the stock bearings and it actualy had a few more degrees of steering.We tortured it pretty good yesterday with 0 issues.
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:54 PM   #10
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Well I got a little bit more done today,I got the HR steel AX10 diff locker shimed in with the Axial over drive ring and pinion on it.(pic#1)

The 2nd pic is the wheely king/TLT MIP shafts and stubs instaled.

The 3rd pic is the finished front axle with the HR Chubs,vanquish 0 ackerman knuckles and D Lux no slop bushings.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:38 PM   #11
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I got the upper link mount made and installed today.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:43 AM   #12
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I like the link plate being up high like that. What are the benefits of raising them up and separating them though?
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Would you be willing to do up a parts list with part numbers for the front axle conversion? whats the ratio difference front and rear?
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I like the link plate being up high like that. What are the benefits of raising them up and separating them though?
The plate is only raised 1/8 of a inch,The reason for the highth is so I can get the anti squat I'm looking for,It also helps with torque twist and flex steer.
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Flex steer isn't an issue for me at all with 4WS but the torque twist would be nice to get rid of. With these being shaft driven, it can only be countered not completely eliminated. I just moved my upper rear links to the outer portion of the stock tabs and that helped quite a bit. Your design is wider and may be adaptable to fit the servo in there as well as allow more uptravel with my battery placement. I look forward to seeing your build and I really want to see some good high torque video of it as well.
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Would you be willing to do up a parts list with part numbers for the front axle conversion? whats the ratio difference front and rear?
The front ring&pinion 14-36..ratio-2:56.The rear ring&pinion(stock venom)13-39..ratio-3:10

H-R Parts and numbers
unibody shd differential lock ax10..SCP125R
black alum. c-hub creeper..CRP1901
HPI parts and numbers
washers 10x12x0.2mm..Z892
AXIAL parts and numbers
Heavy Duty Bevel Gear Set 36t/14t..AX30401
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Wheely King CVD axle by MIP..SKU#WK10220
2x TLT stub axle by MIP SKU#10202
2x Bearing 6x11x4
2x Bearing 6x10x3
Vanquish 0 ackerman AX10 high steer knuckles(I do'nt have a part # for these.)
I was not able to find any 10x15x1mm shims(I had to make them for the front locker)
Please Note that there is alot of cutting and grinding for fitment for this front axle.

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Flex steer isn't an issue for me at all with 4WS but the torque twist would be nice to get rid of. With these being shaft driven, it can only be countered not completely eliminated. I just moved my upper rear links to the outer portion of the stock tabs and that helped quite a bit. Your design is wider and may be adaptable to fit the servo in there as well as allow more uptravel with my battery placement. I look forward to seeing your build and I really want to see some good high torque video of it as well.
I'm doing the same set up for the front also.The servo fits between the links in the stock location.

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The front ring&pinion 14-36..ratio-2:56.The rear ring&pinion(stock venom)13-39..ratio-3:10

H-R Parts and numbers
unibody shd differential lock ax10..SCP125R
black alum. c-hub creeper..CRP1901
HPI parts and numbers
washers 10x12x0.2mm..Z892
AXIAL parts and numbers
Heavy Duty Bevel Gear Set 36t/14t..AX30401
RCP Crawlers parts and numbers
Wheely King CVD axle by MIP..SKU#WK10220
2x TLT stub axle by MIP SKU#10202
2x Bearing 6x11x4
2x Bearing 6x10x3
Vanquish 0 ackerman AX10 high steer knuckles(I do'nt have a part # for these.)
I was not able to find any 10x15x1mm shims(I had to make them for the front locker)
Please Note that there is alot of cutting and grinding for fitment for this front axle.

I am starting to think this mod would be worth the money. I can run Axial axles and have these laying around or i can invest some time/money and get them functional. You have seen as I have that the Front is trouble area while the rear can be welded up and built with the stock parts.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:19 PM   #19
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I would really like to do some testing on this front axle before anybody desides to build it,I think the weak point of the axle is that 6x10x3 bearing.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:42 PM   #20
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I did'nt use the pins that come in the kit for the hexs I used the traxxas set screws that have the pin on them thay are used on the traxxas pinion yokes.I drilled the hole on the stub axle alittle bigger for the pin and slid the hex over the hole put the pin in through the hex and the stub axle and tightend it up.It made for a much closer fit to the knuckle.
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