Kamikaze practicing. NO need to debate about the rules here guys.

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

awesome driving none the less, as always Jeff

Thanks, the best part of the whole comp was the big grin you got when you saw that 33............

[TwistedCreations]

yep, I finally realized you do make mistakes

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

yep, I finally realized you do make mistakes

Hey, I drove to Ohio didn't I.

[TwistedCreations]

[Fishmaxx]

I'll have to remember to use the "Thats the way our club calls it" line when I can't back it up with the actual rules

[redbaron]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

Thanks, the best part of the whole comp was the big grin you got when you saw that 33............

No that wasn't TC, that was ME!!!


On Sunday while just playing around, I was able to drive that gate as well. I thought my truck could do it, but I wanted to play it safe in the comp, so I took the upper gate. When I drove it, I didn't point and shoot. I just kept a nice steady momentum and drove thru them.

And Sven, you are right, REAR DIG is a great tool to have!!

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by redbaron

No that wasn't TC, that was ME!!!


On Sunday while just playing around, I was able to drive that gate as well. I thought my truck could do it, but I wanted to play it safe in the comp, so I took the upper gate. When I drove it, I didn't point and shoot. I just kept a nice steady momentum and drove thru them.

And Sven, you are right, REAR DIG is a great tool to have!!

I know that you are better than me.....no need to rub it in.......

[Reflection]

Great driving Jeff. It's funny how some lines become more clear or easier when the cones are put up or the score sheets are taken away Is for me anyway.

Originally Posted by Rockcrawler

How in the hell is that a straddle? To straddle the gate would be to clear the gate by having 2 tires on the inside and 2 on the outside. It does not matter if you flip through a gate as long as the tires are in between the gates.....even in the air.




BTW....Great driving Jeff!

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Its not a straddle!

Jeff (RockCrawler) according to Rule:

7.3.2 - If a wheel touches any object outside of a gate as the other wheel from the same axel passes
through a gate it is considered a straddle, a Gate Marker penalty is assessed.

A straddle only has to be 1 tire on the inside. In the video the a tire was never between the gate markers when his truck was over the gatemarker.

There is no mention of centerline of axles, breaking of vertical plane or any other wording. The rule was thoroughly discussed in RULES Committee, and the definition is quite clear

I ain't trying to argue here,just an observation I seen. Aren't gate markers still considered a straight line to the moon/sun/stars or whatever? Thats the way we call it in ETRC. Not sure if the rear axle did pass over the cone,kinda looked like it. Even though all four tires went through the gate in the intended direction,the truck still drove over the cone.

No sweat either way. I'm just thinking out loud here.

Either way,it looks to be a hard gate to clear and Jeff did it with style.

[BOWTIE]

nice driving!!

with our series we would of called that a gate though. :-(

[roborg5000]

I was the spotter for that course.... and as I have been tought and seen a thousand times that would be a 10 point gate penalty. Fact is it wasnt done in the comp that way so it matters not. What matters is to get this grey area shit cleared up! But yea Jeff a definite nice approach to getting through there. Just getting through there without actually touching a gate takes some skill.

[Fishmaxx]

I apologize for being a jerk about the rule I just don't understand why people change the rules just because they don't like them. If you don't like a rule get it changed or follow it the way it they are written, and leave personal opinion at home.

Whats the point in having a National set of rules if everyone is just going to make them up as they go along:-(

[slowrockr]

Don't mean to turn this into a rule discussion but inquiring minds want to know. Not sure if it's just me but the way that's worded is kinda confusing. So to help me understand this correct if his truck was turned 90 degrees to the left and did that it would have been a gate correct?
I mean since this was the intended direction and intended plane of the gate.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by slowrockr

So to help me understand this correct if his truck was turned 90 degrees to the left and did that it would have been a gate correct?
I mean since this was the intended direction and intended plane of the gate.

The way the rule is written at this time....YES

[slowrockr]

Gotcha thanks.

[rockbound]

so you guys that call this a gate penalty, do you also call a gate penalty when a truck is off camber leaning towards a cone tires close to the cone but the body or chassis is obviously over the gate. that means that the imaginary line to the moon is going through the body. that should be a gate penalty too?

[TwistedCreations]

No CJ, we do not call that since your tires are not straddling the gate and your axle is not over the marker either. We are not even discussing that, so please quit just trying to stir more rules BS

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

I'll have to remember to use the "Thats the way our club calls it" line when I can't back it up with the actual rules

Go ahead if it makes you feel better . as you know the rule:
Rule 7.3.2 - If a wheel touches any object outside of a gate as the other wheel from the same axle passes through a gate it is considered a straddle, a Gate Marker penalty is assessed.

Well if you look at the pic Bowtie posted, that same axle was on the outside of the marker while the other one was clearing the gate in the intended direction..So all of the TSC judges would have called a gate penalty..But who cares, it didn't happen in the comp and at least all of the judging would have been consistent as all of the judges would have called it the same. We don't care how you straddle a gate, it's a straddle and it will be called so the judges do not have to try and be a mind reader or make judgment calls

[Rockpiledriver]

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

We don't care how you straddle a gate, it's a straddle and it will be called so the judges do not have to try and be a mind reader or make judgment calls

Agreed, for us too.

I think this statement about judging is the single most important thing the rules should eliminate. It slows down comps when judges have to argue with the competitors.

Gate straddle is gate starddle no matter what the angle.

[jeepster26104]

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

We don't care how you straddle a gate, it's a straddle and it will be called so the judges do not have to try and be a mind reader or make judgment calls

Amen brother. No more questions.

I would say other than the line to the moon guys, this is how most people interpreted this rule. You know the ones that are not in the super secret meetings.

[Fishmaxx]

Rule 7.3.2 - If a wheel touches any object outside of a gate as the other wheel from the same axle passes through a gate it is considered a straddle, a Gate Marker penalty is assessed.

Originally Posted by TwistedCreations

Well if you look at the pic Bowtie posted, that same axle was on the outside of the marker while the other one was clearing the gate in the intended direction..

Originally Posted by Rockpiledriver

Gate straddle is gate starddle no matter what the angle.

I am not saying your opinions are wrong ...I am just going by what the rule says....not what I want it to say or think it should say ;)

TC the rules never mentions axle outside...only wheel!

Green=Gatemarker
Red=Outside Gatemarker
White=Between Gatemarkers
Blue=Front of Gatemarkers
Yellow=Back of Gatemarkers



I personally like the thinking it took to figure it out. I don't want to sterilze this sport from all fun, creativity, and imagination.

As long as its within the rules;)

[grover]

Originally Posted by Rockpiledriver

Gate straddle is gate starddle no matter what the angle.

Agreed, and if its not... it should be.IMO