11-29-2012, 01:01 PM | #81 | ||
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A little knowledge or idea isnt going to hurt. BTW, I was talking about NASCAR. Quote:
Im one of the few Vendors willing to discuss it to see if and outside look in to the window will help fix an issue. Resolve, not excuses! And Jeremy, its interesting that you found that rule about being a sanctioned club. I did not know that. And RockedUp Ricky, I made mention of how clubs tech because out of your own mouth and Duuuuuude's was s comment about teching. Is that percieving too? Thomas Edison was once said. "I didnt fail 500 times at making a light bulb, I found 500 ways to not make a Lightbulb". Perception is a single persons view of how something is seen in their eyes. But now you have to find a way to change that. An Inch is still an inch. Even 10 tenths is still a foot. You cant percieve what is fact. | ||
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11-29-2012, 01:08 PM | #82 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX
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You mean about receiving recognition and not actually having to follow the rules created by the sanctioning body? It's more of a lack of a rule... | |
11-29-2012, 01:09 PM | #83 | |
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same as the higher courts will determin the law the commitee will determin the rules. Nothing need to be changed with the base process rcc has. teh commitee simply needs to work, in the interst of the "drivers" and they need to do so in a manner so that the "public" can realize the process is fair. ( oh, and it needs to happen over night or people get impatient ) Just kidding, but sadly true Last edited by rock hard; 11-29-2012 at 02:51 PM. | |
11-29-2012, 01:10 PM | #84 |
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Fish, what I was saying is There are approved and unapproved designs in NASCAR for running Bodies. If someone say you can only use these bodies snd only cut them here and must be mounted like so. Sounds like you just defined the body. Laws! Not rules. Its either this or your out Build new rules for the future structure of comp crawling. |
11-29-2012, 01:10 PM | #85 | |
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11-29-2012, 01:10 PM | #86 | ||
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I can say from experience that there is still a ton of gray areas in this format that can have the "intent" rule come into play and rule changes are made mid season. Examples: 1. Rule states: you can not use A to accomplish B Work around: use A to accomplish C while also having an affect on B 2. Rule states: component A must be mounted in area B Work around 1: build part C that attaches inside of area B and holds part A outside area B Work around 2: mount component A outside but slightly overlapping (.25 inches) area B I can keep going, but i figured that was enough. Both of my examples are based on current rules and how they are currently being used by alot of competitors. There is always going to be a way to exploit the rules and someone will always find it. Last edited by Nabil; 11-29-2012 at 01:13 PM. | ||
11-29-2012, 01:15 PM | #87 | |
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lol no worries here man. I just think putting limits on stuff like what you can build out of and stuff like that would less'n the ingenuity out there maybe it would inprove it I don't know..... maybe im just the ass | |
11-29-2012, 01:16 PM | #88 | |
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Its not political Paul. Again help with solutions, quit debating with banter about law. | |
11-29-2012, 01:19 PM | #89 |
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Ok, im stepping away. Just go ahead and insult me. Im used to it. Im just gonna say that you guys really need to look at your future soon. Im giving you fair warning! |
11-29-2012, 01:19 PM | #90 | |
dnf Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Under a big fkn rock.
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now is when the process rcc already has in place will work... The rules commitee has tackled problems before......rulels have changed before.....we all still go comp each month..... The commitee just needs to work for the drivers, and we need to give them time to do so. Tsix....I dont think laws are political ( you brought them up ) The process that rules and laws are created or changed can get very political....but thats different... surely my stating that laws are not political didint insult you, but just in case....it was not my intension. Last edited by rock hard; 11-29-2012 at 01:27 PM. | |
11-29-2012, 01:22 PM | #91 | |
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Our club knows the rules and we never have to worry about the grey area getting pushed to hard, just good old honest guys. We hadrly ever tech our rigs, but the tools right there if we need to. And if I see something thats out, I tech it. It's never a fight and we'll even help each other fix it. I do keep an eye on Duuuuuuuude's ass when he comes to our comps. | |
11-29-2012, 01:25 PM | #92 | ||
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11-29-2012, 01:32 PM | #93 |
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JeremyH - Seriously, your taking it wrong. Im not mad or upset. I offered my advice and Im walking away nicely. New Norm (Nice and Kind) No Bad Norm (Rude and Mean) Just really want you all to think about how to make it better for the future. Peace. P.s. the picking on me was true, I am used to it. |
11-29-2012, 01:32 PM | #94 | |
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FRAME which part of BC´s truck is the frame ? the cap ? | |
11-29-2012, 01:34 PM | #95 |
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11-29-2012, 01:39 PM | #96 |
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11-29-2012, 01:40 PM | #97 | |
dnf Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Under a big fkn rock.
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itt says it must be compete frame right? but it also say the "roof" must be raised a MIN. of 1" from >main chassis < ( what is the main chassis ? this is left to perception ) the roof of bc's truck is not the mian chassis IMO ( perception ) now lets move on rule #2.1.5.1.7 says what all can be used to get to your total measurments, notice it does not limit you to a complete frame to get to the required meassurement roof is also allowed,,,,,in bc's truck. the lexan cab is the roof tottally legit now, rulle 2.1.5.1.7 makes it clear IMO ( perception ) that the min deminsions encompase many things other than the ( main chassis ) IMO Its the wording of the main chassis that probably gives me personally the perception that the rigid/compete art of the rule only encopases the main chassis as the part that can run with a cab or without..... I mean common sense tells me a main chassis will work without a body or a cab also, the reasoning for the cab adds to my perception of this.... it gives reasoning for a raised cab ( appearance ) which suggests the cab is not needed to be structural other than to not fall out of spec. it is not required to have a functioning chassis ( main chassis ) Now the rules commitee couls easily use wording such as bodiless main chassis and raised roof frame railes/plates must reach min measurement ( A ) ( B ) ( C ) But, thats not what it says at time of the build Last edited by rock hard; 11-29-2012 at 01:59 PM. | |
11-29-2012, 02:00 PM | #98 |
dnf Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Under a big fkn rock.
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| Re: Rules, Issues and Public Concerns txrcrca 017Edit Picture Add to Group Report Picture Picture Added 11-21-2009 03:45 PM Added by rock hard Picture URL BB Code thiis was yrs ago My main chassis was the sling shot..... the rules have NO min measurement for the main chassis The cab I added is not needed for the main chassis to be complete I choose this cab, but could have made the cab from any material I wanted sincne the rules dont limit us on that. Bc used lexan for his material.....nothing in the rules says the raised cab must have solid fram rails.... it says fram rails must be min of 1", not the roofs fram rails.. even still as stated earlier, you could just trim out, leaving rails and be good. it still wouldnt fall under unibody, since it mounts securely to teh ( main chassis ) You can say thats what it means, but thats not what it says, or at least not clearly enough to prevent this debate from many on all sides. and actually, if you actually READ the rules, frame sides and cockpit side are refered to seperatly in the rule. so the 1" frame side must deffinatly does not refer to teh cockpit. ( cockpit and fram sides are to be measured vertically ) Last edited by rock hard; 11-29-2012 at 02:18 PM. |
11-29-2012, 02:17 PM | #99 |
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Ohh look at that, another Facebook post of someone from Arkasas selling thier Comp stuff!
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