03-06-2009, 04:53 PM | #21 | |
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Find them here > http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showgroups.php IMO the rules are pretty clear considering the millions of combinations and situations that can possibly occur. Its no different than the way laws are written, and sometimes a Judge needs to interpret them and make a decision. As far as KISS all or nothing approach it would make for some BORING competitions. If a drive had to put ALL 4 tires between the gates a lot of driver would be stuck on that gate. The current rules allow different skill sets of drivers to progress through the course with different degrees of penelties. | |
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03-06-2009, 05:40 PM | #22 | |
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03-06-2009, 05:50 PM | #23 |
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03-06-2009, 06:06 PM | #24 |
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Some good discussion here! You guys pretty much summed it up exactly like I felt the ruling should have been but here is the actual result from the examples Example #1 = Gate penalty Example #2 = Gate penalty Example #3 = NO gate penalty Both runs were in the same competition the same day but two different judges. The first one is defiantly no penalty. According to rule 7.2.5.2 one tire must be touching an object out side the gate at moment the opposite tire on the same axle crosses the plane of the gate. since the vehicle approached from the side of the gate neither tire crosses the actual plane of the gate. for this same reason there would be no penalty for crossing the gate in the wrong direction. besides, crossing the gate in the wrong direction would only count if at least one tire per axle crosses the plane of the gate. 7.2.1 states that a gate is considered cleared (or progressed incorrectly) only when at least one tire per axle crosses the plane of the gate. Stepping one tire or axle the wrong direction through a gate would not count as a penalty as long as the other axle never crosses. I feel the rules are confusing up front until you study them for a while then you realize the intent behind them. For now the rules work once you understand them but are defiantly left up to interpretation if not looked at close enough. As far as making them simpler, It could only be done if the rule 7.2.1 is changed to say all 4 tires instead of 2. then all the straddle rules become void because then if any tire crosses outside the cones for any reason at the moment the other tire crosses the plane of the gate it would be a penalty. We are gearing up for our season soon and i have been doing more judging and want to be as accurate as possible. I personally don't care what the rules are so long as they are understood properly and used correctly. Thanks everyone for the reply's |
03-06-2009, 08:06 PM | #25 |
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If I had to guess i would say this all took place at the big event up north?
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03-06-2009, 08:29 PM | #26 |
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| Yep it was at Motorama. I have no problem with the ruling, a judges decision is final and that's ok with me. I just want to be sure i'm clear with the rules before I do any judging in our next comp.
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03-07-2009, 07:06 PM | #27 |
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Well Metal Masher, Since I am the Official rules guy for your club ( www.team-svsc.com ) I am going to make sure you are called for as many penalties as possible because that oversized, 100lb., tube chassied, Metal bodied, sway bar wearing scale rig you call a comp truck is not supposed to work that well See you at the meeting tomorrow |
03-07-2009, 08:24 PM | #28 |
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Ah, you're just jealous! |
03-07-2009, 08:36 PM | #29 |
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03-18-2009, 08:47 AM | #30 |
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Quick Question on clearing a gate with progress and a penatly. I'm sure this question was already anwsered, but I couldn't find the right anwser. Thanks for your help! If a competitor hits a gate with a tire before any of his tires have cleared said gate, but goes through that same gate with at least one tire from each axle, "after the gate penatly". He would still be awarded a progress point. Example: Driver hits gate with the outside edge of the right front tire (Gate Penatly) and then puts the left front tire and at least one back tire through the gate (Progress). Thanks again! I just want to be as clear as I possably can be on this. Are new season starts this Saturday and the better we all are the better the competition will be. |
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