12-08-2010, 11:07 AM | #41 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: on a Big Rock
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| As far a Judges testing something is in the works It will be a VOLUNTARY TEST that will be used a teaching tool. Unless something radically changes in the ECONOMICS of our sport Competition Organizers will remain in charge of the quality of their Judges. It cost time effort and MONEY to get JUDGES. Restricting the pool of Judges will only cost more time and money. |
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12-08-2010, 11:08 AM | #42 |
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12-08-2010, 11:10 AM | #43 |
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12-08-2010, 11:22 AM | #44 | |
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Having said that it is a hobby that we do for fun, and that's why testing and/or certification will be a VOLUNTARY program. So far everyone that has taken the sample TEST...loved it, and asked me to send the full test ASAP. The guys that have the BALLS to step up want to be good judges, so they are not scared to take a test that makes them better | |
12-08-2010, 11:23 AM | #45 | |
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I would still ask,what would the penalty be for such comments you mention??? | |
12-08-2010, 11:25 AM | #46 |
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12-08-2010, 11:31 AM | #47 | |
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Keep up the great work Fish and everyone else that is putting this learning program together for those of us that are interested. ECC will be the first large event I judge at, without the "testing program" which I consider more of a learning program I would have never felt comfortable volunteering to judge on the national level since I have never done it on that level before. The tests and discussions I have had with Fish have really raised my confidence that I will be able to do a good and fair job on a larger scale than local. | |
12-08-2010, 11:36 AM | #48 |
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Where do we find the sample test? I'd like to see the areas in which I am lacking....
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12-08-2010, 11:44 AM | #49 | |
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I will send you a copy......just making sure the test is correct BEFORE general release. I took a chance with ECC judges since its my event that way if I screwed up I can fix it. Don't want the test giving out bad info for others to deal with Last edited by Fishmaxx; 12-08-2010 at 11:46 AM. | |
12-08-2010, 11:50 AM | #50 |
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I'm personally less worried about a list of "approved judges" than great marshalls. Judges come and go as this is a hobby, not a paying career. I've been to big comps with great judges, good judges, and poor judges. But every event has always had great marshalls to make sure the judges are on point and the drivers have fewer questions or concerns. When they do have concerns the marshalls always set an agreeable solution and keep the event on track and fun. |
12-08-2010, 11:53 AM | #51 |
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12-08-2010, 12:20 PM | #52 |
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I agree with Parker x eleventybillion. I only judge because I have a blast doing it and it helps out. If I have to start doing a resume and proving that I'm good enough beyond doing a good job, I'll stop. I strive to do my best because I want to, not because I need to prove something, when it becomes less fun is when I stop doing it. we should strive to control the human errors in a way that doesn't suck, and accept them with a laugh when they do happen. this is a sport/hobby that unlike its brethren is still fun, friendly, and most importantly: not cutthroat. but every day, more and more, it rotates in that direction. this is inevitable with big payouts for winning, and sponsorships becoming better and better, but the human factor should be stronger than both of those in keeping it from getting there. the second we start eliminating the human factor by trying to completely eliminate human error is when we become just like racing. Judges will make mistakes, but judges also make the course. I don't know how many times I've heard a competitor walk off a course happy about their score, but still overall unhappy with their run because the judge sucked and made it an irritating and ultimately pissed-off experience. I've also heard drivers come off course unhappy about their score, but still smiling and laughing because they had a blast running it, even if a marshall had to be called over. cliffs: judging needs to be fun, not a pain in the ass. judge retention will go up, driver fun will go up judges make this sport stay awesome. |
12-08-2010, 12:39 PM | #53 | |
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12-08-2010, 07:32 PM | #54 |
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wow, all ican say is there is alot of infifferances out there where we comp and who we comp with, i have been to a couple different "usrcca" recognized clubs and they have a vie for getting the nat invite for one of their driver's and the guy's they have judge don't have a single clue as to judging except for "reverse" and gate! the main reason i was asking if we have recognized judges was to help these clubs and have qualified judges for the big comps so the best driver actually get's the invite instead of someone who did not deserve it, point in case "who's the best in the nation for 2010"? and was this driver judged fairly? or did he have a bystander that was asked to fill in? also the "spotter" IMO should not be allowed at a national or equivelant level, as that driver who is driving has had all day or an hour, it does'nt matter how long! he/she has had time to look over their course and better know where the gate is and how to get there! I love this sport and have friends and enemies pretty much wherever we go, some made that comp or from before, but i judge everyone the same and people who know me and who have seen me judge they can attest to that, yes i have made some poor calls/decisions, but i have never gone back on a call! and never will! oh yeah and to parker! dream on hooker dream the "F" on and see ya sat bud! |
12-08-2010, 08:53 PM | #55 | |
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If taking a "test" makes a judge or organizer feel better about their judging ability, great. I dont see a problem with a voluntary testing program and i have no problem taking a "test" on the rules and judging! So if you want to question me having testicles or not fish, knock yourself out!!! I am confident with my ability as a judge and a person and dont need a "title" or "qualification" to do what i love. When and if i DO need that, i will step down. I learned the rules and judging by one of the best in the nation, and I still learn something everytime i step on course either judging or driving! Randy, i agree that there are judges (and clubs) that need to learn more about the rules! There are a lot of drivers that need to learn the rules also, it would definitly make our jobs easier! Maybe we should make drivers take a test as well. I will keep calling my own penalties and take the judging out of it!!! | |
12-08-2010, 09:35 PM | #56 | |
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Where do you get that? Only the first sentence was directed at you The last sentence was clearly PRAISING those that step up at big events. I have said numerous times the program will be voluntary, and based on the POSITIVE responses I've gotten in PM's we are on the right track. | |
12-08-2010, 10:19 PM | #57 |
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My bad Fish, when you quoted my post i thought you targeted me with your response. I believe i was at the same event you are speaking of and saw more questionable calls then i ever want to see again! I have heard good things about your test and eagerly await being able to take it. I just dont know if it is the answer but at least it is a step in the right direction. Someone can know the rules better than anybody and still be a bad judge! |
12-09-2010, 12:21 AM | #58 | |
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In certain instances a spotter is necessary. There is a person in my club that is national caliber but has vision problems and has to take the course one gate at a time and needs someone to point out the next gate and ones near his feet as not to step on them. As for most people, I agree, there should not be spotters. | |
12-09-2010, 12:47 AM | #59 | |
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What we need are bilingual judges at nationals! | |
12-09-2010, 07:13 AM | #60 |
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| I've had contact Swiss, Germans, and Aussie Drivers interested in attending 2011! Last edited by Fishmaxx; 12-09-2010 at 09:08 AM. |
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