Gas, Liquid, or Solid?

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

We are very close to being done. You got something you want us to look at.

I actually have a question I'd like answered or clarified.

In the rules it says body panels must be a solid

Assuming for arguments sake that the panel in the pics is
meeting the hight and length requirements for its class (2.2 or 1.9)

I'm going to use a piece of paper and trim it in various ways simular to how I"m considering to trim my body panels

In the 1st pic it is perfectly clear that it is a solid piece


Now in picure 2 it is riddled with holes.



Now pic 3

in this pic the panel has beem trimmed significantly



all are from a solid piece,however I question if during vehicle tech it should or should not be considered "solid"

I just think that the word solid in the rules is used kinda loosely for interpretation.

I could consider all above solid
and could consider the lower 2 no longer solid

Thanks
Paul

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

I'm staying out of this one.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by rock hard

I just think that the word solid in the rules is used kinda loosely for interpretation.

Just like everything else in any kind of competition when you put it in the hands of the judges/tech/marshals your subject to their decisions, so when you push stuff to the edge you might fall off

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Just like everything else in any kind of competition when you put it in the hands of the judges/tech/marshals your subject to their decisions, so when you push stuff to the edge you might fall off

Thats why I ask,I dont really know what the intent of that rule was
Only the guys setting at the round table really know why the work solid was added

I suspect it was to make people use a single piece of material for each panel.Though if
it meets the hight and length measurements.I see no reason it matters if its one solid piece
or 3 pieces patched together to make 1 piece.

If the rule commitie so desires,they could give us the deffinition for solid they want used.
Since there are different deffinitions of that word that could be used during tech if not deffined.


Solid could be diffined easily to meet the intent of the rule

without openings or breaks

consisting of one substance or material

without seperation or division

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

solid meaning not paper.Something a little more solid.

You already know that everyone puts holes in the panels to mount them.

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

solid meaning not paper.Something a little more solid.

You already know that everyone puts holes in the panels to mount them.

I know,and I have a few holes in mine to reach upper link bolts also.

And its never been an issue,but on my mrc I want to cut out the entire side
to clear the motor instead of forming the lexan around it.

It is still cut from a solid piece of material.
I simply cant gather the intent of that rule,as there is no definition of solid
in the rules.

2.1.4.1.1 says that they must me made from a solid material
(like you describe above,though paper could be argued as a solid material)

but what I refer to is in rule 2.1.4.1
that it must have solid hood,roof,side panels
(it doesnt say solid material,but a solid panel)Possibly to mean no visable holes,now mounting holes are different IMO as the voids are filled with a bolt/screw/zip tie.ect leaving no visable void in the panel.

But I'm not sure,it could be used with same intent as rule 2.1.4.1.1

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by rock hard

If the rule commitie so desires,they could give us the deffinition for solid they want used.

Since there are different deffinitions of that word that could be used during tech if not deffined.

Solid is good enough for me.....if you want to show up with something that pushes the boundary so much that some one might NOT interpret it as being SOLID then thats on you.

Top drivers generally don't mess around in the grey areas cause the don't want the distractions.

[rock hard]

Ok if it deemed legal and passes tech before the comp,then a judge suspects its not legal and out of spec,that judge is the one who retechs it accourding to the rules.Not the people who teched earlier,not a marshal,the judge who called it.

and if judge decides your out of spec,rule says you must take a repair,the rule relates you to rule 1.4.3,and that rule is optional??
So if your out of spec for whatever reason,if there is no offcourse repair,do we have the option to get within spec,or is it a dnf?


The motor hangs out big time,it would make for a cleaner look just to
trim the panel to go around the motor IMO

I would just like to know if its legal,cuz I cant tell 100% with the rules as written

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Originally Posted by rock hard

Ok if it deemed legal and passes tech before the comp,then a judge suspects its not legal and out of spec,that judge is the one who retechs it accourding to the rules.Not the people who teched earlier,not a marshal,the judge who called it. Yes and you can call a marshal in on it.

and if judge decides your out of spec,rule says you must take a repair,the rule relates you to rule 1.4.3,and that rule is optional??
So if your out of spec for whatever reason,if there is no offcourse repair,do we have the option to get within spec,or is it a dnf?On course you would have to fix it on the clock,off course you would have more time to fix it.


The motor hangs out big time,it would make for a cleaner look just to
trim the panel to go around the motor IMO How about a pic

I would just like to know if its legal,cuz I cant tell 100% with the rules as written. Thats your opinion and interpretation.

A pic would help.

[rock hard]

Ok,true at a national event a marshall could be called
But at local and state fianls your marshall may be the judge

And as far as oncourse repaire for getting your vehicle in spec.
I have read again,the repair rule referese you to the off course repair rule ONLY
So I see no place in the rules where you are allowed to use a oncourse repair
to get your truck back in spec.

I would assume the repair to get truck back in spec MUST be done off course
or dnf the way the rules are written

I dont have a pic of the panel on the truck,as I'm still working on the truck.
I have always ran a body in the 1.9 class,now I'm going with a cab.
On the chassis I'm running the motor is aprox 1" outside of the chassis

I do have a pic showing how I wish to cut the panel(bottom pic)


Its aslo a fact,that from the rules I have to go by I cant tell if the panel would be legal

You guys make the rules,and know thier intent when written,I can only read what is in print. From that print I can not tell if the panels in the pics would be legal

Thats why I asked the question,if I knew I wouldnt ask

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by rock hard

You guys make the rules,and know thier intent when written,I can only read what is in print. From that print I can not tell if the panels in the pics would be legal

Thats why I asked the question,if I knew I wouldnt ask

The Intent is.....We don't want to micro manage every single build that comes along, and the more information we add the more we paint ourselves in the corner.

IF you have to ask its probably ILLEGAL. Play in the grey area and you invite trouble.

No matter how many times or ways you ask the question my answer isn't going to change.

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

The Intent is.....We don't want to micro manage every single build that comes along, and the more information we add the more we paint ourselves in the corner. I can appreciate that

IF you have to ask its probably ILLEGAL. Play in the grey area and you invite trouble.

No matter how many times or ways you ask the question my answer isn't going to change.

Well hell,you didnt say it IS illegal,so thats a plus I guess.I dont mind the grey,its a good southern color

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

solid meaning not paper.Something a little more solid.

You already know that everyone puts holes in the panels to mount them.

I actually found a little clarity in the rules for "solid material" atleast
its in the unibody discription

[86jeep]

If you show up with the motor hanging out of the body in your mini "Your not running".

You should be out practicing instead of looking for loop hole's in the rule's all the time. LOL LOL

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by 86jeep

If you show up with the motor hanging out of the body in your mini "Your not running".



You should be out practicing instead of looking for loop hole's in the rule's all the time. LOL LOL

well shoot,I guess I should be practicing more.
I'm not looking for a loop hole here,the panels on the motor side is the onlt fugly part of the bodiless 1.9'sIMO
I really think the open side would look good. I mean your loosing a whole .78g of lexan
so its not an advantage issue,its all cosmetic.

[86jeep]

Originally Posted by rock hard

I actually have a question I'd like answered or clarified.

In the rules it says body panels must be a solid

Assuming for arguments sake that the panel in the pics is
meeting the hight and length requirements for its class (2.2 or 1.9)

I'm going to use a piece of paper and trim it in various ways simular to how I"m considering to trim my body panels

In the 1st pic it is perfectly clear that it is a solid piece


Now in picure 2 it is riddled with holes.



Now pic 3

in this pic the panel has beem trimmed significantly



all are from a solid piece,however I question if during vehicle tech it should or should not be considered "solid"

I just think that the word solid in the rules is used kinda loosely for interpretation.

I could consider all above solid
and could consider the lower 2 no longer solid

Thanks
Paul

You anwered your own question in my eye's, The first picture you said
"In the 1st pic it is perfectly clear that it is a (solid) piece"

"Now in picure 2 it is riddled with holes". I dont see the word solid in this one.

"Now pic 3 in this pic the panel has beem trimmed significantly" I dont see the word solid in this one either.

[86jeep]

Originally Posted by rock hard

well shoot,I guess I should be practicing more.
I'm not looking for a loop hole here,the panels on the motor side is the onlt fugly part of the bodiless 1.9'sIMO
I really think the open side would look good. I mean your loosing a whole .78g of lexan
so its not an advantage issue,its all cosmetic.

If some body let you cut out a big ass hole for the motor to stick out then the next guy would measure a 1/16 or 1/8 and cut up the hole inside of the body panel so it looks like a picture frame.

[rock hard]

I think the middle one could be argued is no longer solid
as it has holes in it

the bottom one,IMO actually meets the hight and lenth requirments and has no holes in it.So it actually IMO according to the rules should be considered a solid panel

Just cuz I call it solid means nothing at tech though

[rock hard]

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Is the side panel on this truck ok?

If so then the question isnt if its ok to trim,its how much it ok to trim

[rock hard]

Or this,I notice this driver has a extra hole in his side panel.
Is this ok?is it still solid even though it has a unused hole in it?

If so then the question is how many are ok