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Brushless 1/8 Scale Buggy
- Thread starter dezfan
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Offroader5
Picky Fab'r/Acetal Junky
I'd like some shots of that bracket you made for the motor. Does it bolt right into the stock motor cradle/mount or did you completely replace the stock one with a whole new assembly?
Some links to BL conversion parts:
http://rcproductdesigns.com/OneEigthScalekits.htm
http://www.rc-monster.com/rcm.php
If I can, this weekend I'll grab some video of my brushless MBX5. I'm running a MM Esc, Castle BEC, Feigao 540 9L with RCM heatsink/clamp and 2 Trakpower Lipo packs in series for 4s. GPS'ed it at 39.9mph after having already run it for 15minutes or so. It's quite a blast to drive.
http://rcproductdesigns.com/OneEigthScalekits.htm
http://www.rc-monster.com/rcm.php
If I can, this weekend I'll grab some video of my brushless MBX5. I'm running a MM Esc, Castle BEC, Feigao 540 9L with RCM heatsink/clamp and 2 Trakpower Lipo packs in series for 4s. GPS'ed it at 39.9mph after having already run it for 15minutes or so. It's quite a blast to drive.
Offroader5
Picky Fab'r/Acetal Junky
Ahh, I see...thanks "thumbsup"
I used my friends Bridgeport EZ-Track mill to make the parts.
The 8Xl motor has a much larger can than the mamba sized motors, as well as a much lower KV rating. Both of these features contribute to alot of torque, which is required to haul around these heavy trucks.
The 8Xl motor has a much larger can than the mamba sized motors, as well as a much lower KV rating. Both of these features contribute to alot of torque, which is required to haul around these heavy trucks.
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
BRUSHLESS CONVERSION KITS
Image shown is #5013. Car and electronics not included in kit. Individual images displaying the included items will be available in February 2008.
CLEAN UP AND GO BRUSHLESS
Plan an intervention with your 1/8-scale nitro vehicle, and admit it into electric rehab. Novak has the ideal program to convert your 1/8-scale nitro off-road vehicle into an efficient brushless electric machine by offering nine, inclusive Brushless Conversion Kits (#5010 - #5018). With some basic assembly, a 1/8-scale nitro car can be converted into a leaner, cleaner, less noisy brushless car with faster acceleration and speeds comparable to nitro. The Novak Brushless Conversion Kits were designed specifically for Novak’s 550-size brushless motors (#3424 HV 4.5 and #3426 HV 6.5) and include all of the necessary conversion components. So clean up, and reinvent your car as brushless!
WHY CONVERT YOUR NITRO TO BRUSHLESS?
1/8-scale buggies are built strong, handle well and are fun to race. With the increased popularity of brushless, R/C enthusiasts can experience a new way to drive and race while enjoying the many benefits of brushless.
Better Performance. Novak sensored-brushless motors provide extraordinary throttle response and controllability, and better acceleration and low-end feel. This translates to better control on bumpy courses and makes clearing jumps easier. Brushless motors also operate consistently in varying weather conditions, so you don’t have to be a tuning expert.
Lower Center of Gravity. Electric conversion provides a lower center of gravity for more agile and nimble handling.
Less Maintenance. Brushless systems are virtually maintenance-free. No engines to tune or rebuild and no spilled nitro fuel to clean up, so more time can be spent racing or bashing.
Cleaner Environment. Brushless motors are far cleaner to run than nitro-powered vehicles and are healthier for indoor racing.
Quieter. Brushless-powered cars are quieter than nitro-powered vehicles and will allow 1/8-scale buggies to run where noise restrictions are imposed.
Plug and Play. With a brushless-powered system, just turn on the switch and go. No engines to start, tune or warm up.
NINE CONVERSION KITS AVAILABLE
Nine conversion kits are available for many popular 1/8-scale off-road nitro vehicles:
Associated® RC8™ (#5010): To convert the Team Associated RC-8 Buggy
CEN® Matrix™ (#5011): To convert the CEN Matrix C-1 Buggy
Hot Bodies® Lightning™ (#5012): To convert the Hot Bodies Lightning2 Evo Pro Buggy
Kyosho® Inferno™ (#5013): To convert the Kyosho Inferno 777, 777 SP-1, SP-2 and SP-2WC Buggies
Mugen® MBX5™ (#5014): To convert the Mugen MBX5 and MBX5R Buggies
OFNA® 9.5TM/Ultra™ (#5015): To convert the OFNA 9.5 Series Buggies (ViolatorTM, RavengerTM and Jammin X1TM) and the OFNA Ultra Series Buggies (MBXTM, CompTM and LX1TM)
OFNA® Hyper 8™ (#5016): To convert the OFNA Hyper 8 and Hyper 8.5 Buggies
OFNA® Hyper 7™ (#5017): To convert the OFNA Hyper 7 Buggies
X-Ray® XB8™ (#5018): To convert the X-Ray XB8 TQ and XB8 EC Buggies
INCLUDED ITEMS
Novak Brushless Conversion Kits contain all of the necessary parts to completely convert a 1/8-scale nitro off-road vehicle into an energy-saving brushless buggy.
Motor heat sink and buggy-specific heat sink adaptor plate, specifically designed for Novak’s 550-size brushless motors (#3424 HV4.5, #3426 HV6.5 and original HV4400). Motor assembly installs directly to chassis with a four-bolt mounting system for stability, optimal heat sinking and lower center of gravity.
Two battery boxes and adjustable straps for holding an assortment of Li-Po or Ni-MH batteries
Motor cooling fan that bolts directly to motor heat sink
Antenna mount
Hardware kit
Complete instructions
Brushless vehicles are a popular segment in the racing industry, so don’t get left behind in the nitrofumes, and join the brushless revolution!
1/8-BRUSHLESS CONVERSION KIT COMPATIBILITY
To mesh with its Brushless Motor Conversion Kits, Novak is offering Mod 1 Pinion Gears. These heavy-duty gears are recommended when converting 1/8-scale Nitro off-road vehicles for brushless electric use and fit seamlessly with Mod 1 spur gears commonly found on 1/8-scale Nitro vehicles. Designed to maximize concentricity, these hardened gears can be used in any application and with any motor that has a 5mm output shaft, including Novak’s HV High-Voltage Brushless Motors that have been updated with the HV Brushless Motor 5mm Upgrade Kit (#5924).
http://www.teamnovak.com/products/brushless/conversion_kits/index.html
Image shown is #5013. Car and electronics not included in kit. Individual images displaying the included items will be available in February 2008.
CLEAN UP AND GO BRUSHLESS
Plan an intervention with your 1/8-scale nitro vehicle, and admit it into electric rehab. Novak has the ideal program to convert your 1/8-scale nitro off-road vehicle into an efficient brushless electric machine by offering nine, inclusive Brushless Conversion Kits (#5010 - #5018). With some basic assembly, a 1/8-scale nitro car can be converted into a leaner, cleaner, less noisy brushless car with faster acceleration and speeds comparable to nitro. The Novak Brushless Conversion Kits were designed specifically for Novak’s 550-size brushless motors (#3424 HV 4.5 and #3426 HV 6.5) and include all of the necessary conversion components. So clean up, and reinvent your car as brushless!
WHY CONVERT YOUR NITRO TO BRUSHLESS?
1/8-scale buggies are built strong, handle well and are fun to race. With the increased popularity of brushless, R/C enthusiasts can experience a new way to drive and race while enjoying the many benefits of brushless.
Better Performance. Novak sensored-brushless motors provide extraordinary throttle response and controllability, and better acceleration and low-end feel. This translates to better control on bumpy courses and makes clearing jumps easier. Brushless motors also operate consistently in varying weather conditions, so you don’t have to be a tuning expert.
Lower Center of Gravity. Electric conversion provides a lower center of gravity for more agile and nimble handling.
Less Maintenance. Brushless systems are virtually maintenance-free. No engines to tune or rebuild and no spilled nitro fuel to clean up, so more time can be spent racing or bashing.
Cleaner Environment. Brushless motors are far cleaner to run than nitro-powered vehicles and are healthier for indoor racing.
Quieter. Brushless-powered cars are quieter than nitro-powered vehicles and will allow 1/8-scale buggies to run where noise restrictions are imposed.
Plug and Play. With a brushless-powered system, just turn on the switch and go. No engines to start, tune or warm up.
NINE CONVERSION KITS AVAILABLE
Nine conversion kits are available for many popular 1/8-scale off-road nitro vehicles:
Associated® RC8™ (#5010): To convert the Team Associated RC-8 Buggy
CEN® Matrix™ (#5011): To convert the CEN Matrix C-1 Buggy
Hot Bodies® Lightning™ (#5012): To convert the Hot Bodies Lightning2 Evo Pro Buggy
Kyosho® Inferno™ (#5013): To convert the Kyosho Inferno 777, 777 SP-1, SP-2 and SP-2WC Buggies
Mugen® MBX5™ (#5014): To convert the Mugen MBX5 and MBX5R Buggies
OFNA® 9.5TM/Ultra™ (#5015): To convert the OFNA 9.5 Series Buggies (ViolatorTM, RavengerTM and Jammin X1TM) and the OFNA Ultra Series Buggies (MBXTM, CompTM and LX1TM)
OFNA® Hyper 8™ (#5016): To convert the OFNA Hyper 8 and Hyper 8.5 Buggies
OFNA® Hyper 7™ (#5017): To convert the OFNA Hyper 7 Buggies
X-Ray® XB8™ (#5018): To convert the X-Ray XB8 TQ and XB8 EC Buggies
INCLUDED ITEMS
Novak Brushless Conversion Kits contain all of the necessary parts to completely convert a 1/8-scale nitro off-road vehicle into an energy-saving brushless buggy.
Motor heat sink and buggy-specific heat sink adaptor plate, specifically designed for Novak’s 550-size brushless motors (#3424 HV4.5, #3426 HV6.5 and original HV4400). Motor assembly installs directly to chassis with a four-bolt mounting system for stability, optimal heat sinking and lower center of gravity.
Two battery boxes and adjustable straps for holding an assortment of Li-Po or Ni-MH batteries
Motor cooling fan that bolts directly to motor heat sink
Antenna mount
Hardware kit
Complete instructions
Brushless vehicles are a popular segment in the racing industry, so don’t get left behind in the nitrofumes, and join the brushless revolution!
1/8-BRUSHLESS CONVERSION KIT COMPATIBILITY
To mesh with its Brushless Motor Conversion Kits, Novak is offering Mod 1 Pinion Gears. These heavy-duty gears are recommended when converting 1/8-scale Nitro off-road vehicles for brushless electric use and fit seamlessly with Mod 1 spur gears commonly found on 1/8-scale Nitro vehicles. Designed to maximize concentricity, these hardened gears can be used in any application and with any motor that has a 5mm output shaft, including Novak’s HV High-Voltage Brushless Motors that have been updated with the HV Brushless Motor 5mm Upgrade Kit (#5924).
http://www.teamnovak.com/products/brushless/conversion_kits/index.html
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dezfan
I wanna be Dave
All hail Holmes Hobbies!:lol:
Offroader5
Picky Fab'r/Acetal Junky
I'm having a hard time finding a 5mm pinion gear that is the right gear mesh for the stock Revo trans spur. It "looks" like 32 pitch when you see it and even hold a 32 pitch gear next to it, but it's not even close. It goes about 3 or 4 teeth and doesn't match anymore. I haven't been able to find info on what pitch the stock spurs are. I can't find where these people are getting their hands on the correct pitch gears to fit the 5mm shafts :x
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
www.rc-monster.com carries 5mm pinions.
I'm working on converting my savage that's been sitting in the closet for the last 2 years!
Saw the new FLM conversion kit and had to order it. Can't wait till spring to run it!
What the conversion kit looks like.
Saw the new FLM conversion kit and had to order it. Can't wait till spring to run it!
What the conversion kit looks like.
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binaryterror
I wanna be Dave
Yes, Revo's are Metric 32pitch which is Mod1.0
dkingston
Rock Crawler
Not at all.
There are still issues with brushless that will take some time to sort out. Mainly, the lack of ability to do biased braking. With the current BL systems, it brakes on all 4 wheels at the same time. The ability to adjust bias front and rear is vital to the handling of 1:8 buggies.
Second is the clutch. In nitro buggies a significant portion of tuning for traction is done in the clutch. While there are a few conversions that have traditional flywheels, clutches and clutchbells, this doesn't appear to be the standard that people are going towards. Now factor in that the BL systems make insane power instantly, the traditional clutch systems do not have the variance of tuning required to give them adequate traction.
BL buggies will do fairly well indoors on high-bit surfaces. Outdoors, they are just not competitive (yet) with their nitro counter-parts.
One last thing to consider...
1:8 buggies were not needing more power. They already were over-powered to the point that it took real skill to handle them well in a race environment. BL systems just make this problem worse.
For the average guy who wants to bash or just compete at a local level, they are fine.
I am a big fan of BL buggies and I cannot wait until it matures somewhat. Major players getting into the game will help greatly in this development.
dkingston
Rock Crawler
Here is a good video of an all electic BL buggy race.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OjyxBoqIy-w
This race was 2 weeks ago, held at the CRCRC Electric WinterChamps. The track was kept moist and high-bite for the electric race.
The next weekend they ran nitro on that track. They added a couple of obstacles to slow the nitros down and let the track dry out so they wouldn't have as much traction.
Lap times between drivers of comparable skill on the two weekends were fairly close. The nitro laptimes were still faster with less traction and more obstacles.
One or two of the Pro's that were in attendance at the electric race who also run nitro drove the buggies. They agreed they were fast but they wouldn't be as fast under race conditions due to the limitations I posted above.
- David
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OjyxBoqIy-w
This race was 2 weeks ago, held at the CRCRC Electric WinterChamps. The track was kept moist and high-bite for the electric race.
The next weekend they ran nitro on that track. They added a couple of obstacles to slow the nitros down and let the track dry out so they wouldn't have as much traction.
Lap times between drivers of comparable skill on the two weekends were fairly close. The nitro laptimes were still faster with less traction and more obstacles.
One or two of the Pro's that were in attendance at the electric race who also run nitro drove the buggies. They agreed they were fast but they wouldn't be as fast under race conditions due to the limitations I posted above.
- David
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
Just heard that Castle will be releasing the Monster Max in March!"thumbsup"
Also looks like Tekin w/ soon release an 1/8 ESC, the R1 MT Brushless System
High-Powered Electric Brushless System for Monster Trucks, 1/8th scale and other "large" scale vehicles.
Little test footage.
http://www.teamtekin.com/videos/TekinR1MTvidbig.wmv
Also looks like Tekin w/ soon release an 1/8 ESC, the R1 MT Brushless System
High-Powered Electric Brushless System for Monster Trucks, 1/8th scale and other "large" scale vehicles.
Little test footage.
http://www.teamtekin.com/videos/TekinR1MTvidbig.wmv
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