Tube frame guidlines.

[Grizzly4x4]

So this "TJ" would be allowed.



but this "Liberty" wouldn't?



What about this "Cherokee"?



What about this "FJ"?

The differences between those is not my fight to argue. However, since I like to....:lol:
Could you take a TJ and make it look like the Bruiser? Yes
Could you take an FJ and make it look like the FJ you show? Yes

Could you take a Liberty and make it look like the Liberty you show? No, you have to build a rock buggy and put part of a Liberty hood and grill on it.
Could you take an XJ and make it look like the "XJ" you show? No, you have to build a rock buggy and put part of an XJ hood and grill on it.

Running a comp rig on a trail doesn't make it a trail rig.

 

[grover]

Great discussion gentlemen, I think I have a better understanding of what is expected now.

Chad-

 

[hotwheels000]

so did you buy this rig and you are asking if you can run it? if so and you fix it to the 2.2 scale class rules, yes it can run.

The dibbler tuber was owned by me last...then I sold it to another WARCRC club member and he still has it,(frame only). Dieselfuel has the axles and I still have the tires....

 

[Grizzly4x4]

It is a good question though.

The 1.9 scale class will be limited to all 1.9" rim sized rigs.

- This class is for the typical street legal rigs, that you run off road.

If we show up with a 1.9 that is in no way shape or form street legal, will it be OK as long as it fits into the trail rig look and is not a moon buggy?

 

[jason]

The differences between those is not my fight to argue. However, since I like to....:lol:
Could you take a TJ and make it look like the Bruiser? Yes
Could you take an FJ and make it look like the FJ you show? Yes

Could you take a Liberty and make it look like the Liberty you show? No, you have to build a rock buggy and put part of a Liberty hood and grill on it.
Could you take an XJ and make it look like the "XJ" you show? No, you have to build a rock buggy and put part of an XJ hood and grill on it.

Running a comp rig on a trail doesn't make it a trail rig.

Weird besides Sally they are all pretty much identical, just with different hood on them, yet you call 1 legal and the other 2 not legal.

This is where my troubles arise. I want to build a scaler version of a 1:1 buggy that I really like. I guess based on the above I have about a 33% chance of it being allowed. Although the 1:1 buggy I am thinking about does have a full hood and body panel, they weren't based off any true 1:1 body style, would that then make it illegal?

 

[hotwheels000]

This is a interesting discussion and am very curious to the final outcome/desision/guidelines it may sway me to build another 2.2 entry.

Will the terrian be simular to last year ???

I wasnt there but how much of the coarses will actually be rock verses trial type obsticles (dirt, mud,water, hills,etc...)

 

[jason]

It is a good question though.


If we show up with a 1.9 that is in no way shape or form street legal, will it be OK as long as it fits into the trail rig look and is not a moon buggy?

The rule says that it has to be a "typical street rig" to me that would mean it has to be street legal.

I see no mention at all anywhere in the rules about moon buggies.

 

[Grizzly4x4]

Weird besides Sally they are all pretty much identical, just with different hood on them, yet you call 1 legal and the other 2 not legal.

Because with the first two, you could take a donor vehicle and by keeping the major components that define that vehicle (frame, most of the body, axles) and build something like that.
You couldn't build a Liberty or XJ into what you show.

That being said, I wouldn't exclude any of them. They could be trail rigs just as easy. I guess my sticking point is the chassis and body not extending to or over the axles like on most r/c comp rigs or 1:1 moon buggies.

 

[jason]

That being said, I wouldn't exclude any of them. They could be trail rigs just as easy. I guess my sticking point is the chassis and body not extending to or over the axles like on most r/c comp rigs or 1:1 moon buggies.

All of the "legends" or I guess it's now called the modified class rigs have to have frame that extends past the axles on both ends.

 

[Grizzly4x4]

All of the "legends" or I guess it's now called the modified class rigs have to have frame that extends past the axles on both ends.

And I think they were trying to do the same thing Ben is with the scale comp. Keep the rigs looking like something that you might see on a trail or in your neighbors driveway.

So one guideline could be to require that the structural part of the chassis/frame (whether it be a ladder frame or made from tube) that supports the drivetrain, and suspension, extends past the axles.

Like this for example.

 

[Grizzly4x4]

The rule says that it has to be a "typical street rig" to me that would mean it has to be street legal.

I see no mention at all anywhere in the rules about moon buggies.

That is 100% Ben's call. I know what I'd do but it's his event.

If we could show that it is a scale replica of a certain vehicle by showing a picture, would that be enough to get approval?

 

[Unimoger]

Wow:shock: went to lunch, came back, there is a whole new thread and another page of discussion.:shock:

Guess I better look at MY rules again.:roll:

 

[jason]

If we could show that it is a scale replica of a certain vehicle by showing a picture, would that be enough to get approval?

You told me earlier that wouldn't work. I showed you a very well done replica of Shannon Campbells red moonbuggy and you said it wouldn't fly.



I know that one didn't have frame extending past the axles

 

[STANG KILLA SS]

i personally would prefer to NOT see comp moon buggys there.
but i think bruisers, fusions, etc are perfectly legal.

to me its about look and size, not where theres tube, or if it has rails. full width cab and hood is one key element.

 

[XSRCdesign]

i personally would prefer to NOT see comp moon buggys there.
but i think bruisers, fusions, etc are perfectly legal.

to me its about look and size, not where theres tube, or if it has rails. full width cab and hood is one key element.

I concur, I would think saying it must have either A. full frame rails, or B. a full width cab (should be able to cover at least part of the tires) and a hood

things like bruisers, formula toys, even truggies and flatbeds would all fall under this...

A scale moon buggy, might be a great scale replica, but no where near a fair fight in this class IMO

 

[Grizzly4x4]

You told me earlier that wouldn't work. I showed you a very well done replica of Shannon Campbells red moonbuggy and you said it wouldn't fly.



I know that one didn't have frame extending past the axles

I'm just arguing to argue. :lol:

 

[Grizzly4x4]

i personally would prefer to NOT see comp moon buggys there.
but i think bruisers, fusions, etc are perfectly legal.

to me its about look and size, not where theres tube, or if it has rails. full width cab and hood is one key element.

I concur, I would think saying it must have either A. full frame rails, or B. a full width cab (should be able to cover at least part of the tires) and a hood

things like bruisers, formula toys, even truggies and flatbeds would all fall under this...

A scale moon buggy, might be a great scale replica, but no where near a fair fight in this class IMO

But what if what yer building didn't derive from a Jeep, what is a full width cab on something that is completely scratch built. Shouldn't a scale version of Dibble's buggy be allowed if it met all other requirements?

 

[jason]

I'm just arguing to argue. :lol:

Why do you think I am here?

 

[Grizzly4x4]

So if this is legal.

What is so different about this (assuming a 1.9 build) and how do you define it?

Or are they both OK with you Ben?

 

[Unimoger]

So if this is legal.

What is so different about this (assuming a 1.9 build) and how do you define it?

Or are they both OK with you Ben?

Exesive's truck is based off of a truck ladder frame and truck parts.

the pirate4x4 truck is a tube buggy, with some panels hung on it.