Krawler Freak
Rock Crawler
i agree that the nascar of tomorrow sucks its a step backwards IMO
and F1 rules they have some major balls racing in the rain with no TCS!
and F1 rules they have some major balls racing in the rain with no TCS!
-
Welcome to RCCrawler Forums.
It looks like you're enjoying RCCrawler's Forums but haven't created an account yet. Why not take a minute to register for your own free account now? As a member you get free access to all of our forums and posts plus the ability to post your own messages, communicate directly with other members, and much more. Register now!
Already a member? Login at the top of this page to stop seeing this message.
Nascar goes Racing in the Rain...
- Thread starter Slyp Dawg
- Start date
Tupers
Rock Crawler
Sorry dude but thats total crap. If F1 cars where so easy to drive then there would be a lot more teams and a lot more drivers. Sure the technology helps out a hell of a lot but without it you couldn't drive the cars. There is no substitute for driving skill.
I've always found the idea for NASCAR supposedly being Stock Car Auto Racing stupid. There is nothing stock about these cars for the most part. If you guys want stock racing check out world or british touring car racing. These are racing cars derived from real cars and there's even a Chevy for you guys in the USA to support.
BrandO
Rock Crawler
I get a real kick out of these Nascar threads. For anyone who thinks nascar COT cars are crude, old technology, pos's. I challenge you to come to work with me some day. You will see more engineers than you can shake a stick at. You will see carbon fiber and titanium components just like F1. And an engine shop that makes huge power from an old fashioned engine with a carb on top. Your head would spin from the money that is spent.
Gillette Evernham motorsports has a enineering partnership with Mclarren. Yes from F1, they come to our shop to learn from us. We also do the same. But my point is, if Nascar is so 1970 what can they learn from us. They learn about our processes. They learn how we can duplicate such a large number of cars. Right now we have over 60 race cars. No F1 team has that number. Wanna know why we have so many. Because we RACE most every weekend. We don't race a dozen or so races.
And Nascar has a huge number of hardcore fans. Thank god for them. They pay my bills."thumbsup"
To say Nascar cars are under engineered is ignorant. Most people don't have a clue. Days of thunder it is not.
Gillette Evernham motorsports has a enineering partnership with Mclarren. Yes from F1, they come to our shop to learn from us. We also do the same. But my point is, if Nascar is so 1970 what can they learn from us. They learn about our processes. They learn how we can duplicate such a large number of cars. Right now we have over 60 race cars. No F1 team has that number. Wanna know why we have so many. Because we RACE most every weekend. We don't race a dozen or so races.
And Nascar has a huge number of hardcore fans. Thank god for them. They pay my bills."thumbsup"
To say Nascar cars are under engineered is ignorant. Most people don't have a clue. Days of thunder it is not.
freetimecrawler
Debunking old stereotypes
Was wondering when you were going to chime in on this thread "thumbsup"
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
F1 cars= Traction Control, Oversteer/understeer compensators, Overbrake and underbraking compensators, Pit Technicians have suspension adjustment, Fuel curve adjustment, Engine timing adjustments all via remote as well as driver controls (the steering wheels are a estimated 180,000 bucks) Every component in a F1 must be built in-house according to F1 rules, no vendors other than tire. They build every thing, from casting thier own engine components, suspension(Ti front spindles est. $15,000each), body. Your looking at 1.5mil as compared to a $125,000 cup ride.
FL Knifemaker
Pebble Pounder
They did it at Indy. Gordon was all over the track in the F1 car and Montoya was all over the track in the stock car. They ran around the road coarse. Montoya has since gotten a little better in a stock car!
I enjoy watching all forms of racing but prefer NASCAR. I really dig watching the rally cars and Moto GP. If I remember, I'll get up early and watch F1. No need to compare what's better, who's better, etc. I doubt any of the F1 guys could drive an World of Outlaws car :ror:
Mr.Slave
Quarry Creeper
f1 doesnt have traction control anymore.
Hellbilly
Pebble Pounder
Well said!It is amazing the reliable power and RPM's cup teams are getting out of pushrod engines!
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
Not on paper anyway, that's what all the other gizmos are far.
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
Thats what my post was concerning their HELL, Nascar is allready about the have and have nots. If they were to jump on F1 style tech you probably see 18 to 20 cars show up each week.
BrandO
Rock Crawler
Yet another ignorant quote. Hell, if a cup car only costs $125k everyone could have one. Again no idea what it really costs.
Have any idea why those F1 parts cost so much? Not because they are expensive to produce. Because all the enigineering, tooling, and production costs are rolled into that part. Spread out over a couple dozen made. Hell ya that part cost a bunch. Not like a Nascar team, they make 100's of things. Costs the same to make a part. But the cost is spread out over a much larger quanity.
Don't get me wrong here. I have seen F1 cars in person. It was way cool to look at. It was an engineering masterpiece. We also had a Dodge NHRA pro stock car n our shop. That was pretty darn cool. Whole interior is carbon fiber. You just have to appreciate what people can do within the rules of the sanctioning body that they race with.
I will say it again. This isn't days of thunder. Nascar cars are not built in barns.
Tupers
Rock Crawler
NASCAR has a huge number of fans because the are primarily raced in the USA one of the biggest country in the world.
Why do you need so many cars, or do you make them for other teams as well?? F1 teams don't have 60 cars because they are expensive and I'm fairly sure rules prohibit having loads of spare cars. But I could be wrong.
There are a lot of F1 races but not as many as NASCAR because they have to travel around a lot more. It's not as easy as packing everything into a truck and driving across state lines.
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
BrandO, 125,000 is actual est.chassis cost, This is not counting the 5 mill a year engine resaerch, or 15mill four post shakers, ect... I'm actually trying to agree with you here."thumbsup"
Last edited:
binaryterror
I wanna be Dave
You have no idea what is in an F1 car. There are no over/understeer compensators, their are dampeners in the steering to help just like any race motorcycle. No ABS or Traction control is allowed. Track times went up tremendously when that rule went out the window.
TIMZKRAWLER
Rock Crawler
the reason there aren't more teams in F1 is because of the cost involved ...it's not because there's not enough good drivers to drive them
...and your right ...without all that technology they wouldnt be driveable thus nearly as fast.....the drivers aren't making them that fast,technology is
Last edited:
If you believe that a monkey has enough talent to drive an F1 car you have absolutely no clue.
Jeff Gordon is a pretty good driver, before the "Trading Paint" episode he was offered rides by F1 teams. He also has a few road course wins as well.
Last edited:
BrandO
Rock Crawler
We have a large number of cars for a few reasons. The number of races per season. On each race weekdend each team will have a primary and backup car in the trailer. Also not counting cars that are at different places around the country testing. If a car if wrecked turn around time can be as much as a couple weeks. Depends on the amountof damage. Nascar requires chassis cert. each time portions of the chassis is replaced or repaired. We have different kinds of cars for different tracks. Things like suspension points, Radiator duct work, drake ducts, etc will differ from track to track. Cars are also being made obsolete rather quickly. We have a warehouse full of older version cars. They are kept in case we run out of the good stuff.
I wouldn't say our travel is easy. I know a few truck drivers that would beg to differ. But yes F1 does have some logistic obstacles. Those containers they ship the cars and equip. are pretty cool.
Not all Nascar fans are from the USA. I have met a large number from other places around the world. I was surprised when we went to Mexico this year. They also like Nascar racing. On a side note the Rolex sports car series put on a great show in Mexico. They where cool cars to watch.
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
Thanks for correcting me, I'll just leave it at as it's to damned expensive:lol::lol::lol:. Not trying to ruffle feathers here. Over and Out
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
BrandO, what part of the shop/crew are you in? No matter where I bet is a demanding job as perfection is a must.
TIMZKRAWLER
Rock Crawler
thats exactly my point...if a supposedly" inferior " nascar driver can drive a F1 car as fast as a ...supposedly "superior" F1 driver as some on here is saying...then any race car driver can make a F1 car go fast(because of the technology )...but put that same F1 driver in a nascar and watch them try to go fast....
...LOL...when i said "monkey " it wasn't literally...i know a monkey can't actually drive ..its just a figure of speech ....geez..LOL
...and from what i heard it was after the "trading paint" deal when Gordon was approached by the F1 teams
Last edited:
