dpdsurf
I wanna be Dave
I'm sure your correct about it all getting worked out, but go look at the last 3 or 4 pages of the Axial forum from 2007. From what I could tell it is nothing like this train wreck right now.
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Anyone happy with the Losi?
- Thread starter Mic
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I'm sure your correct about it all getting worked out, but go look at the last 3 or 4 pages of the Axial forum from 2007. From what I could tell it is nothing like this train wreck right now.
Work through all that math, you will see that when you break it down to our scale you will not even be able to measure the load difference. Look at it from the other direction, unless you plan to put less power to the ground you are not going to see less force. Period.
They have no excuse for fawking this design up, bad material or whatever excuse they come up with. We watched the CVD's break in the proto at ECC, they just rushed this thing out. The only thing that even compares to the AX-10 is the lockers in the AX-10 failing over time, and even that wasn't this bad.
LIKES2CRAWL
I wanna be Dave
I went thru the 4 pages of this thread so far and alot of complaints about the weak CVD's/Axles and alot of people say to back the steering off and it will be fine.....well if it was desinged to have so much steering then shouldn't have to back it off, that's like buying a new car with A/C and every time you run it on High the car over heats and the dealer says to use Medium speed cause it will work better!
After seeing how many times the release date was pushed back after preorders were made and now this, I'm so glad I didn't order one.
After seeing how many times the release date was pushed back after preorders were made and now this, I'm so glad I didn't order one.
mental
Pebble Pounder
this is turning out like the mrc and its junk plastic lockers
miller
Rock Crawler
Same force to the ground...but spread out over a larger area takes the strain off of the parts. Short drivetrain..more stress/inch...long drivetrain....less stress/inch. 1000/10= 100 just the same 5000/50= 100 Same result just spread out more.
You're right though perhaps it doesn't make much difference on such a small scale. But shouldn't you be measuring these things and putting them into SW now instead of trying to burn up my internet ego "thumbsup"
bigflex
I wanna be Dave
bigflex
I wanna be Dave
I feal that they will get the issues worked out but its kinda mute right now. They kept pushing the date back further and further so they could "get it right the first time" and now this. As stated before the MRC had the same kind of issues. Lockers, aftermarket axles. I think this is Going to be a great truck but theres no way I will be spending my hard earned money on one till things get fixed. This was suposed to be setup "right out of the box" so much for that. Good luck on fixing the issues Rich. I know you will I just hope its fast enough to keep this rig on the hot list instead of the not list."thumbsup"
bustedcrawler
Rock Crawler
This scale, it really doesnt make a lot of difference. Sure if more of the reduction was higher you could get more overall slop, but when you do the math for the failure point the slop is not accounted for as you make the engineering assumption that all the torque is being transmitted. Its very simple, don't over complicate it.
The factors in play is Horizon is a big player.... they want initial sales just pump it out and go. Because of this I would suspect Rich was veto'ed a few times and told to use some more "value" engineering on parts. The big factor is it's made in CHINA. No matter what you want out of there it is all crap, heck their steel standards contradict each other for the same grade of steel. Do you really expect high quality?
I for one, will deal with the China made crap and value engineered parts until some of the vendors on here steep up and offer a Made in the USA replacement.
Dark8ngel
Pebble Pounder
Well after seeing a losi that a lhs brought to the comp yesterday, I bought one on the spot. I was very impressed by the design and layout, it's number 366 off the production line.
Got back and went online here to check for setups and now see the explosion of problems everyone is having, not a few isolated issues as first stated.
Sat for the last month reading the losi thread on how EVERYONE praised this thing as the "golden child" of crawlers and it was the only true comp ready, out of the box, put your gear in that day and go win comps rig. All this without ever seeing one or running one.
Watched the only losi running at the comp yesterday break out before the 3rd gate...of course this was after I already bought mine:-(
I've ran my creeper for over a month and at 2 comps now and have only broken one stub axel.
The losi I bought yesterday is now going to sit on the shelf as a $300.00 paper weight until losi figures out and backs up all the issues.
Hate/love to say it, but the creeper as it stands...even with out it's dig, is a better and more reliable out of the box comp rig than the losi.
Put your gear in the creeper and go"thumbsup"
Got back and went online here to check for setups and now see the explosion of problems everyone is having, not a few isolated issues as first stated.
Sat for the last month reading the losi thread on how EVERYONE praised this thing as the "golden child" of crawlers and it was the only true comp ready, out of the box, put your gear in that day and go win comps rig. All this without ever seeing one or running one.
Watched the only losi running at the comp yesterday break out before the 3rd gate...of course this was after I already bought mine:-(
I've ran my creeper for over a month and at 2 comps now and have only broken one stub axel.
The losi I bought yesterday is now going to sit on the shelf as a $300.00 paper weight until losi figures out and backs up all the issues.
Hate/love to say it, but the creeper as it stands...even with out it's dig, is a better and more reliable out of the box comp rig than the losi.
Put your gear in the creeper and go"thumbsup"
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Bigcatnearmiss
Newbie
Yes very happy with Losi... I NEVER owned an RC (got 11+ vehicle in the garage from 22 years in the hobby) that I didn't upgrade the parts on so if I need to buy heavier CV's or steel locker, thats cool. I can see how my JR91000 could bind up the steering and break things. But the sevro broke things on my super.
Cheers,
DC
Cheers,
DC
wrightcs77
RCC Addict
Charlie,
I ran mine and was able to complete both courses. I actually cleared the bottom course easier with my Losi than my Berg. Upper course was about the same. Knock on wood, no CVD broke yesterday. The rig is VERY CAPABLE. Stock, with weights added, I was able to pull some lines that I have never seen a shafty do. Heck, I did a bonus gate that only 4 people made during comp 2. The does flat out crawl stock, I can only imagine what it will be like with some tuning. I am going to try a little softer foams and limit the shocks some. I am breaking in the axles on a drill (after running a couple packs this weekend) and will lube the transmission, too. I am keeping it. Who knows, it may make a comp appearance during the 2nd season.
Dark8ngel
Pebble Pounder
Good to hear casey nothing broke, but overall your a pretty smooth driver or were you getting on it hard? also missed seeing it run after the comp, had to head out. Great job on being the only one to complete course 1! tough design for some of us newbs...lol.
I'm not knocking the design or potential, just questioning the quality and reliability. As it seems you may be, by not running it possible the second part of the season. So your not ready to trust it at the next comp in 2 weeks?
I'm not knocking the design or potential, just questioning the quality and reliability. As it seems you may be, by not running it possible the second part of the season. So your not ready to trust it at the next comp in 2 weeks?
Dark8ngel
Pebble Pounder
Also, were the axels not being broke in the reason for the motor burn up I heard about?
wrightcs77
RCC Addict
Charlie....check my thread on the Losi, I tried to answer your questions there.
The main reason I ran the Berg is I am trying to make it to Nationals. You have to place in the top 2 of our club for the Spring Series. I have been using the Berg all season and am comfortable with it and how it reacts. That being said, the Losi cleared some sick lines. It climbs some stuff that many good drivers with Bergs have trouble with. I cleared a place where we had a bonus gate at comp 2. At that comp, only 4 MOA's made the bonus gate. It is very stable and smooth. I would have not problem giving up my Berg if I can get a little more wheel speed and if the durability is there. I often take my Berg during the week and go practice for an hour or 2 and have never had any major issues. I have bent a couple of stubs, but that is about it.
The main reason I ran the Berg is I am trying to make it to Nationals. You have to place in the top 2 of our club for the Spring Series. I have been using the Berg all season and am comfortable with it and how it reacts. That being said, the Losi cleared some sick lines. It climbs some stuff that many good drivers with Bergs have trouble with. I cleared a place where we had a bonus gate at comp 2. At that comp, only 4 MOA's made the bonus gate. It is very stable and smooth. I would have not problem giving up my Berg if I can get a little more wheel speed and if the durability is there. I often take my Berg during the week and go practice for an hour or 2 and have never had any major issues. I have bent a couple of stubs, but that is about it.
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Dark8ngel
Pebble Pounder
Thanks Casey...just seen your thread and the great info"thumbsup" Knew you had nats in your sights and was just tease'n ya on the losi:wink:
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ripper7777777
Rock Crawler
Well I'm sure that Rich would work it all out today if it was all up to him, but it's not. I would expect the aftermarket or community will fix the issues before losi does. I'm sure there will be improvements to the Losi production as time goes on, will those be given out as a recall to the people that already own a Losi, who knows, they might have to, to save this train wreck and regain trust. Personally I have lost quite a bit of trust in Losi with the CVD's and Motor heat up issues not to mention being poorly assembled.
Crappy CVD's aside I would like to make this statement, RTR and ARTR need to stop at a Comp Level, I know we have to buy our parts from China, but for Godsakes stop letting them put our kits together. Let Traxxas sell RTR's to the beginner RC'er. Let Axial have an RTR basic Crawler, but a full blown Comp Crawler should always come in a kit version. I can't stand taking some crappy built POS ARTR apart to change parts, check LOC-tite and lube everything, let me build the rig and let me build it right my way the first time.
Crappy CVD's aside I would like to make this statement, RTR and ARTR need to stop at a Comp Level, I know we have to buy our parts from China, but for Godsakes stop letting them put our kits together. Let Traxxas sell RTR's to the beginner RC'er. Let Axial have an RTR basic Crawler, but a full blown Comp Crawler should always come in a kit version. I can't stand taking some crappy built POS ARTR apart to change parts, check LOC-tite and lube everything, let me build the rig and let me build it right my way the first time.
This holds true of all types of RC's.
The first thing I do with any rig I buy that is put together is tear if completely down and put it together right. This ensures everything is properly lubed, shimmed and has loctite where needed. It also educates me on how the thing works and it put together so that when something breaks I know how to get to it easily.
cfox109
Quarry Creeper
Heres something that might make you guys happy and maybe more positive. The losi crawler got first and second at our last comp, beeting out alot of dialed bergs.
