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I think I finally realize why this thread interests me so much because I have seen it before.

I got into Mountain Biking while it was still in it's infancy (yes I am that old), which is why I can relate to those that think crawling is going in a direction they are not comfortable with. Crawling today and Mountain Biking of 25 years ago seem to be in very similar situations.

When I started riding there was no suspension, no disc brakes and very little Mountain specific components....many components were borrowed from the road bikes of the day, they weren't very durable and you had to know how to work on bikes if you intended to ride.........sounds a bit like crawling today.

There were many "noobs" that jumped onto the Mountain Bike bandwagon, and it seemed that many manufacturers were eager to build mass-produced, cheap (as in crappy) bikes just to get them sold for a buck. They were heavy, unreliable and handled like crap (sounds like an RTR of today). But those noobs didn't ruin Mountain Biking......actually they made it better because by buying these bikes, manufacturers put money into research and the bikes got better.

Today you can buy a bare bicycle frame and build it with the components of your choice..... but imagine if that was your only option? Modern Mountain Bike technology wouldn't exist because there would be very few riders. That's how some people (myself included) feel when they walk into a Hobby Store to buy a kit....."What radio do I need", "Which motor", "which ESC"????? I think that's why RTR's are so popular.....walk in, pay for your box and go home to crawl.

Like bicycles, maybe RTR's need more than one price point. You can buy a $500 mountain bike, ride it and have fun but don't expect the performance to blow your socks off. Maybe if a company offered two or three RTR's, each with different levels of performance and with different price points, it would show buyers right up front that there is a difference in how well a truck can work.....you just have to be willing to pay. Everyone says don't buy the Axial RTR, get the ARTR instead. Why didn't Axial offer the upgraded parts of the ARTR with everything else the RTR had for an upgraded price? Offer both and see what people buy.

I know that many will say "Just learn to work on your own stuff". I actually prefer that, but many others don't.

Like mountain biking, RC Crawling will evolve.....it's inevitable. 20 years from now, it will have a very storied history, and I'm sure some of the biggest names in that history haven't even heard of crawling yet. When they show up, many will call them "Noobs", make fun of their ideas and dismiss them as serious players........until they start to change the sport....... Ever hear of two guys named Paul Turner and Steve Simons?? (Hint.....they started Rock Shox).
 
look at the bright side, 1 of 2 things are going to happen.

1. all the bitching and moaning and free parts for "warranty" will force companies to stop producing parts and kits for us and we will be back to "the good old days" of building and fabbing like "everyone" loves and wants

or

2. all the bitching and moaning and free parts for "warranty" will force the companies to produce better parts and kits.


you could say its win win, just sucks we have to hear about it every other post.

its unfortunate, but thats one of the reasons i rarely come to this sight anymore, usually only look in the classifieds and comp sections.

I would have never seen this if it were not posted in our club forum.

Amazing how much you can learn from 1 post :wink:
 
I agree with everything Jeff says, and along with the "I want it now" crowds comes their over blown expectations.

Expectations that are often created from company hype...... like misleading ads, company produced you tube videos, and driver endorsements.

The bitchn is often a monster the companies created on their own.

I agree 100% if the company ads state they have the killer product then they should stand behind it or state what there warranty will be on the parts. I for one don't think the crawler community should continue to let companies sale crap to us and theres a bunch of it out there from so called great crawler companies. What I am saying here is there are companies that have a great name in the sport but continue to release crap but it sure looks great and you would think that it works.

The other thing I hate is this Pre-order crap then you what weeks to get what you ordered. Don't get me wrong there are companies that discount on the pre-order and that works for me but the ones that don't they can take a hike. To me the companies that stand behind there products are the ones I will kept doing business with and they listen to the users when there is a problem to get it fixed.
 
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I agree 100% if the company ads state they have the killer product then they should stand behind it or state what there warranty will be on the parts. I for one don't think the crawler community should continue to let companies sale carp to us and theres a bunch of it out there from so called great crawler companies. What I am saying here is there are companies that have a great name in the sport but continue to release carp but it sure looks great and you would think that it works.

The other thing I hate is this Pre-order carp then you want weeks to get what you ordered. Don't get me wrong there are companies that discount on the pre-order and that works for me but the ones that don't they can take a hike. To me the companies that stand behind there products are the ones I will kept doing business with and they listen to the users when there is a problem to get it fixed.
We talking about fishes now?:lmao:
 
I think everyone should find someone who has been here for 4 or 5 years and ask them if they still have that old tlt laying around. I'm sure they would let you drive it, and I'm sure you would break it. I am also sure that he wouldn't go inside and look for the box to get the customer support number so he could get a free replacement........probably because there isn't one.

That there is nothing but true and ive learned from experience that IS what happens. theROOSTER still runs a tlt and runs it darn well at that. he is the 2008 RCA champ... with a TLT. Most guys come on here, see a berg do amazing and dump there wallet on a berg, when a tlt built right will still crawl just as good as a berg.
 
Like bicycles, maybe RTR's need more than one price point. You can buy a $500 mountain bike, ride it and have fun but don't expect the performance to blow your socks off. Maybe if a company offered two or three RTR's, each with different levels of performance and with different price points, it would show buyers right up front that there is a difference in how well a truck can work.....you just have to be willing to pay. Everyone says don't buy the Axial RTR, get the ARTR instead. Why didn't Axial offer the upgraded parts of the ARTR with everything else the RTR had for an upgraded price? Offer both and see what people buy.

The crawling market isn't big enough to support that scenario right now. How many Factory Team RC10GTs and TC3s are actually sold vs. the standard kits?

Another thing...each person has their own driving style and a setup that "feels right" to them.

You can take the two well-built $$$$ comp rigs and two drivers, make them swap TXs, and they will each point out things that they would change with the other person's rig. You can't expect a company that has to build a rig for the mass market to please every single person that buys a kit...it's just not going to happen.

The area you run in has a lot to do with your crawler's set-up as well. I've set up 2.2 comp courses with a 2.2 scaler (Bruiser chassis with front leaf springs and 4-linked rear) and had the large majority of guys point out on the courses.

What works for one rig at one location won't work at another location with different a type of rocks and terrain.
 
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Your way off there.... actually thats insulting.


How so? Its ok for you to have an opinion but no one else can? There is a good way to not have anyone disagree with you on here.....just don't post."thumbsup" I have come to learn over time that there are just some people that no matter how nice you are to them or what you say they are going to take it the wrong way, but thanks for helping me out in this thread. Glad you are here.:)
 
How so? Its ok for you to have an opinion but no one else can? There is a good way to not have anyone disagree with you on here.....just don't post."thumbsup" I have come to learn over time that there are just some people that no matter how nice you are to them or what you say they are going to take it the wrong way, but thanks for helping me out in this thread. Glad you are here.:)

Just to get a little off topic:

Thanks for the Birthday sale I love my new setup!

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Attack me all you want but its this simple...

If someone sells something it should be everything they said it is. And that means it shouldn't be a piece of crap out of the box and parts shouldn't fail under normal use in the first hour. Beyond that ya RC stuff alway breaks and you just have to deal with it, its the way it is.

As far as all the complaints about products you see on the board about misc. products, most of those complaints have some merit but there are those that will always have something to complain about.

Many of the members here are in and out, its not a full time hobby and they don't want to spend 3 hours or more a day researching for a $30 product. So they ask a question after they spend a few minutes looking for the answer. They then get a huge amount of grief by the members that know all the answers and spend 5+ hours a day on the board. Maybee you need a pro section of the board so they don't have to be bothered by the more average folks.

Seriously not trying to be an ass but that is my point of view. Pretty sure some internet tough / cool guy will now have a smart ass comment / insult for me now. I'm sure 99% of those people wouldn't be able to look me in the eye face to face but thats the internet.



How so? Its ok for you to have an opinion but no one else can? There is a good way to not have anyone disagree with you on here.....just don't post."thumbsup" I have come to learn over time that there are just some people that no matter how nice you are to them or what you say they are going to take it the wrong way, but thanks for helping me out in this thread. Glad you are here.:)
 
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