why does everybody hate on PitBulls on Scalers?

[EvilTwin v2]

Is it the size, the tread pattern, the compound or is it just because you don't have them?

If you're only focusing on size, then the Pitbulls are probably closer to scale than the narrower tires.

The Pitbull Rock Beasts are 5.25x2.25. When compared to the largest Pitbull Rocker, the 44x19.50, For the size to truly be a scale interpretation of the 1:1 tire, at a ratio of 1:8.38, the 44x19.50 should actually measure 5.25x2.33. So, actually Pitbull Rock Beast is actually a bit on the narrow side. The 44" 1:1 version would only be a 44x18.9.

As for the RC4wd Rok Lox, they are based on a Super Swamper Irok, with the largest available size being a 49x21. RC4wd claims the size of their 2.2 Rok Lox to be 5.35x1.61, which, in comparison to the 49" 1:1 version would put the ratio at roughly 1:9.16 scale. At that scale, the tire should actually be 2.29" wide to be a true representation of the 1:1 tire. The 5.35x1.61 Rok Lox would more closely represent a 1:1 tire that was 49x14.75.

Even if you compared them to the narrowest Irok (for the height), which would be the 42x14, at 1:7.85, the tire should still be 1.78" wide.

So, is it that the Rock Beast is ridiculously wide or is it that the other scale tires on the market are actually too narrow?

 

[Grizzly4x4]

I agree with you that the numbers show the Rock Beasts are proportionally more scale than the Rok Lox.
On Guido the Rok Lox scale out to a 45.4" x 13.6" tire. Not exactly what I would really run or scale to what is made.
The Rock Beasts scale out to 44.6" x 19.1" on Guido. Almost exact to the 1:1 tire.

I think the reason the Rock Beasts are called comp tires is because of the huge, open lugs. They do not look like the lugs on the 1:1 tire. You have to admit that the size of the lugs do not look scale either.

 

[War Pig]

It's the hollow lugs and wide tread spacing. I think that they are perfectly scale, but I'm in the minority.

 

[sloppy]

Who cares if people like them or not

Half the people that dont like them probably like 1.55's on a 1/8 scale truck..

 

[dirk379]

I think the reason the Rock Beasts are called comp tires is because of the huge, open lugs. They do not look like the lugs on the 1:1 tire. You have to admit that the size of the lugs do not look scale either.

X2

If they looked scale, and i had a 2.2 scaler, i'd run them. Heck i bet they would be a blast in the snow. I don't hate on them or care if others run them. But to my eye, they just don't look scale. :|

 

[Tommy R]

I don't "hate on" them....nor do I dislike them. The size doesn't bother me if they're used on a large scale rig (like War Pig's EB and Guido). What I don't like is that there is a recess or void within the individual lugs. Not scale in the least, IMO. The size of the lug is okay, but the voids are HUGE (from a scale standpoint) are don't appear scale, either. It's a shame if you ask me. So close to being a killer scale tire yet so far away....

 

[BBCorvette18]

Open lug and lugs spaced to far apart. They are also way to wide compared to the other scale tires available and work twice as good as any other scale tire on the market. which were the reasoning for banning most comp tires along with the fact that they dont look scale

 

[War Pig]

I think it is the best balance between scale looks and performance. You have to consider that the mold for these cost a pretty penny, and they have to appeal to pro comp guys as well as scale guys. If they were made just like the 1:1 tires, they wouldn't be close to competitive in pro comps. I also agree with Tommy, they look awesome on my Bronco :mrgreen:. If Pit Bull redid this tire and made it a tiny bit taller, made the lugs solid, closed up the tread a little, and made it 1/2" narrower, with the same rubber compound, it would be the PERFECT TTC scale tire....I can only dream. Just wait for the 1.9, it's going to be pimpin'.

I don't think they work twice as good as a 2.2 Rok Lox, but definately a little better....especially in the wet.

 

[Grizzly4x4]

If they were made just like the 1:1 tires, they wouldn't be close to competitive in pro comps.

Hence the reason people have drawn the line between a comp tire and a scale tire. ;-)

I think Pitbull is a great company. I know how long this project was in the works because I have pics so I appreciate the time they have put in and I think they scaled their tire really well regarding the height and width.
I think this tire is a comp tire however because of the large hollow lugs and the large spacing between lugs.

A separate question is would I want these tires classified as comp tires and banned from scale comps? That I have not decided yet, I'm not sure I agree with banning any tire from scale comps. I need more time to think on that one.

 

[millrtme]

I wish there were more scale looking tires in the 5.25"-5.5" range that were wider. I am building a 1:10 TTC truck that had 54" swamper boggers and I can't really find anything tall enough and wide enough. I think the new Pro-Line TSLs will be sweet and I love the look of the rok lox, but they are too skinny for my rig.

These Pit Bull tires are sweet and might look good under my rig, even if they aren't the most scale. You work with what you got I guess.

 

[EvilTwin v2]

Well, I don't have a ton of scale comps under my belt, but the last one, WPaC's annual Crawl and Camp, I won the 2.2 class with Pitbulls. There was one other, a Wreckluse, that was running Rock Lox that was also able to make every difficult obstacle( he took 2nd). I really saw no significant advantage to th Pitbulls. In fact there were a couple places that there height was a bigger advantage than the Pitbull.

When they were initially released, I wasn't sure how I felt about them for scale use, but the more I thought about it, the more I liked that a 1:1 manufacturer stepped up to offer a replica of thier tire...the tire that I do run on my 1:1. I'll look past a few inaccuracies in order to have that...

I just get tired of people bitching about them on my 1:8 scale JK, when I think they look far closer to scale than a 5 1/2" Rok Lox on a 1:10 scale.

 

[rockbound]

I just get tired of people bitching about them on my 1:8 scale JK, when I think they look far closer to scale than a 5 1/2" Rok Lox on a 1:10 scale.

thats why people bitch, cause it gets you aggravated just like everyone calls moa cheater trucks ;-)

 

[2500hdon37s]

they just look way too wide!

IMO wide tires suck! on a 1:1 i wont run anything over 14in wide, and i usualy try to stay skinnier, ever go up north? ALL the rigs have skinny tires! im talkin 47x17x15 ltb's (the tread is accualy 14in wide) friends dad had 34x10.5x15 on his jeep talk about some pizza cutters!

 

[BBCorvette18]

friends dad had 34x10.5x15 on his jeep talk about some pizza cutters!

I got a set of those on my toyota right now. I prefer a 12.50

 

[goobs]

i just use rock carvers

 

[EvilTwin v2]

i just use rock carvers

I have a set of those. I had them on the JK, but I didn't like the size. They were too big to run with full flares, but too small once I cut the flares and they couldn't compete with the height of the Rock Lox for scale comp use.

 

[sloppy]

A separate question is would I want these tires classified as comp tires and banned from scale comps? That I have not decided yet, I'm not sure I agree with banning any tire from scale comps. I need more time to think on that one.

Banning tires is just bad. Not very encouraging to a manufacture to make a tire. to have a silly squabble get a tire banned. And No tire should get banned because it has perceived advantage.

Just looking over the tire list from this years MSD comp and seeing that Moabs were allowed while other tires were not is enough to show me that no tire should ever get banned. Moabs are not really scale but were Ok. while some other tires look pretty close but were not because of a open lug??

If the tires are making or breaking the scaler I think some other details got skipped to.. Scalers are built to what a person like's or drives in 1:1 just in this thread I see people say that they hate wide tires and I have to guess that is what makes a tire "bad" in their eyes. Others may like a wide or tall tire Or drive a real rig that has tires that match. Personally I dont build scalers to make other people happy..

 

[dezfan]

Banning tires is just bad. Not very encouraging to a manufacture to make a tire. to have a silly squabble get a tire banned. And No tire should get banned because it has perceived advantage.

Just looking over the tire list from this years MSD comp and seeing that Moabs were allowed while other tires were not is enough to show me that no tire should ever get banned. Moabs are not really scale but were Ok. while some other tires look pretty close but were not because of a open lug??

If the tires are making or breaking the scaler I think some other details got skipped to..

What he said!

 

[War Pig]

Banning tires is just bad. Not very encouraging to a manufacture to make a tire. to have a silly squabble get a tire banned. And No tire should get banned because it has perceived advantage.

There are enough scale tires available that people shouldn't have to use dedicated comp tires on their rigs, there are more scale options that perform well.

Just looking over the tire list from this years MSD comp and seeing that Moabs were allowed while other tires were not is enough to show me that no tire should ever get banned. Moabs are not really scale but were Ok. while some other tires look pretty close but were not because of a open lug??

Moabs were allowed because they suck. There are so many tires that out perform them, that it would be dumb to ban them. Plus they are the original scale tire...how many of us had them on a scaler in 2006? How can you ban a tire with so much history?

If the tires are making or breaking the scaler I think some other details got skipped to..

A true comp tire (read: Rover, Cougar, Chisel) can make a scaler incredibly capable, and can really destroy the look of the truck. You can make an average performing scale truck very capable with a dialed set of comp tires.

This scale rules discussion coming up should be very interesting......

 

[sloppy]

There are enough scale tires available that people shouldn't have to use dedicated comp tires on their rigs, there are more scale options that perform well.



Moabs were allowed because they suck. There are so many tires that out perform them, that it would be dumb to ban them. Plus they are the original scale tire...how many of us had them on a scaler in 2006? How can you ban a tire with so much history?
This contradicts what you say above.. Does it really matter if a tire sucks or if it has history(or if its the best and latest and greatest) if it is not scale??? And why create rules base on things sucking. So if something sucks bad enough that no one would ever do it that will make it scale :shock:
I couldnt ban the moab. I couldnt ban any tire.. Heck I just read threw rules that have RC4wd flashpoints banned WTF that is a real tire..

A true comp tire (read: Rover, Cougar, Chisel) can make a scaler incredibly capable, and can really destroy the look of the truck. You can make an average performing scale truck very capable with a dialed set of comp tires.
All above tires will probably suck in 3 years so then they will be legal for scale???
This scale rules discussion coming up should be very interesting......

Losi claws with removed lugs look swamperish.. Hpi Grabbers look very much like baja claws with some tread removal.. Both "comp" tires. I have seen them both used on scale rigs and I cant say that just the use of that tire alone ruined the look..