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mayhem double phattys. bearing resistance

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bubbaskyjacker

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i have some double phattys with the star pattern bead lock.

after a short while it seems like the ball bearings in the rim dont settle to the bottom and gain more resistance and flop over the top. because of wheel speed and resistance.

when i put new bearings in they would settle fairly well and at a decent speed but not too long after they they are flopping.


my question is. is there any lube or trick that will help them settle and lower the resistance so they settle to the bottom of the wheel

thx
 
bubbaskyjacker said:
i have some double phattys with the star pattern bead lock.

after a short while it seems like the ball bearings in the rim dont settle to the bottom and gain more resistance and flop over the top. because of wheel speed and resistance.

when i put new bearings in they would settle fairly well and at a decent speed but not too long after they they are flopping.


my question is. is there any lube or trick that will help them settle and lower the resistance so they settle to the bottom of the wheel

thx
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there could be too much slop causing excessive wear on the bearings, try shimming the axle. but before doing this, make sure your axle is slopping, if so, proceed to shimming.
 
MRCCRAWLER1.9 said:
ohhh no wonder i really didnt get it..

yea just clean it after every run, make sure there is no debris left over and it should work. you may want to lightly oil the bearings too.
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No, DO NOT LUBE THEM. The wheels were designed to be run without lubrication. Any type of lubricant whether dry or wet will impede the function of the design. The star pattern rings are not the best rings to use with the double phatties since they allow debris to get inside the bearing channel. Any debris at all in there will not allow the ball bearings to function properly.

The solid rings whether in delrin or aluminum are a better choice for the double phatties.

Keeping the weight channel clean and free of debris is the key. Lubricant will attract dust/dirt and will not allow the bearings to roll freely.
 
jcboof is a team mayhem driver . If he says no lube then I would not suggest putting any lube in the wheel. And from personal experience I agree , the cleaner the better.
 
I run the solid disc 16 screw fronts and they run smoothly, even with a fair amount of running over mud/dirt/leafs etc I have put a light spray of White lithium grease which for me at least hasn't caused any problems, though I do clean the wheel pretty regularly.

If the vendor is confirming no lubrication of any sort then I'd go with that, no one is going to know their product like the vendor "thumbsup"
 
i figured that the solid covers were the best. i got these used and the stars came with it.

i might try the dry lube before i plop down $ for a set of solid rings. its not going to hurt anything.

just was hoping some super special inter-web against the laws of physics trick"thumbsup"
 
He may be the team driver but has he tried dry lube?? There are many lubes on the market, an yes there is the incredibly attractive lube, then you have dry lube. I use dry lube on my bikes and it barely attracts dirt. I mean go ahea and listen to the team driver, but putting a thin coat of lube makes sense to me.
 
MRCCRAWLER1.9 said:
He may be the team driver but has he tried dry lube?? There are many lubes on the market, an yes there is the incredibly attractive lube, then you have dry lube. I use dry lube on my bikes and it barely attracts dirt. I mean go ahea and listen to the team driver, but putting a thin coat of lube makes sense to me.
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Yes, I am a team driver, but am in no way a lubricant professional. The wheels were designed to operate without lubricant. That is all I was saying.

I'm sure a that a VERY light coating of dry lube would be OK. But using no lubricant and keeping them clean is how they were intended to be ran.
The balls should not fit that tightly in the wheels to get hung up like that.

The main issue here is not lubrication, its dirt/debris getting caught in the bearing channel. If any grit or grime gets caught in there, it would cause the bearings to slowly start wearing and they would lose their shiny chrome surface,and they would not roll as freely as there were when they were new.

And MRCCRAWLER1.9, Have you confirmed that this dry lube works?? If so I will gladly try it on mine and see what happens. Mine are almost 2.5 yrs old and I've never once put any lube in them, Heck, I haven't checked the balls in about 1.5 yrs! They still work fine for me. I can put that info up on the Comp Double Phatty thread in case others are having problems with it also."thumbsup" Please let me know what you find with yours.
 
I'm sure a that a VERY light coating of dry lube would be OK. But using no lubricant and keeping them clean is how they were intended to be ran.
The balls should not fit that tightly in the wheels to get hung up like that.
but since you are the team driver, i may just give up, since you know these where made to be run with no lube, but im just trying to post up my thoughts, which in my mind do make sense.

The main issue here is not lubrication, its dirt/debris getting caught in the bearing channel. If any grit or grime gets caught in there, it would cause the bearings to slowly start wearing and they would lose their shiny chrome surface,and they would not roll as freely as there were when they were new.
of course, i understand that, but DRY lube doesnt collect/trap dirt like regular lube, which does collect dirt like a magnet.

And MRCCRAWLER1.9, Have you confirmed that this dry lube works?? If so I will gladly try it on mine and see what happens. Mine are almost 2.5 yrs old and I've never once put any lube in them, Heck, I haven't checked the balls in about 1.5 yrs! They still work fine for me. I can put that info up on the Comp Double Phatty thread in case others are having problems with it also."thumbsup" Please let me know what you find with yours.
I do not own the mayhem products at all, but the dry lube method in my head seems to work for ME. ive ran dry lube in my 1/8 buggy,crawler, and SC, and have no more bearing failures, before running dry lube in my bearings, ive used the greasy oil, that collects dirt, and i encountered too many bearing failures.
 
I'd suggest looking at getting set of the Solid Disc beadlock rings and a new set of bearings, unless yours are still OK.
The solid rings work very well at keeping dust and grime out of the bearing channel. I've heard of people using an o-ring also to fully seal them.

Your problem does not seem to be related to the function of the design or lack of lubrication. Its more or less the open design of the star beadlock ring allowing crap to get caught up in the channel. Even dust will cause them to stick a bit. Hence why the solid ring is the most popular choice."thumbsup"

One other thought, Perhaps you could make up some type of lexan shield to fit inside the ring. That would keep junk from getting inside the wheel. Hmmm.... I'm gonna have to look at a set and see what I can come up with!
Stay tuned........
 
If you want to try a lube (before buying more parts), go to a decent hardware store/automotive parts place & get "LockEze". It is fine graphite with a liquid that drys off very fast.
Neither the liquid or Graphite attract dust/dirt.

While I have NOT used LockEze in this application, I use it for many other things with NO issues and it is safe for all plastics I have tried. It's worth a few $$ to try out.

Keep in mind, since it has Graphite in it, it will stain light colored materials (like cloth), so do it on something that is easy to clean or disposable (like over a paper towel).

If you try it, let us know how it works in this application, please.
 
yeah gonna try the dry lube first (my friend just told me he has some.) then maybe the lexan. that could work if its thin enough. thanks for all the info. im gonna try to post a vid in the next day or so.
 
bubbaskyjacker said:
yeah gonna try the dry lube first (my friend just told me he has some.) then maybe the lexan. that could work if its thin enough. thanks for all the info. im gonna try to post a vid in the next day or so.
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Instead of Lexan, keep an eye out for the heavier clear plastic like they use for the "window" in large toy packaging or covers on baked goods. It's only ~0.020" thick and is easy to cut with scissors or a hobby knife."thumbsup"

I always grab that plastic when I see it. A LHS/crafts place should have something similar.
 
jcboof said:
One other thought, Perhaps you could make up some type of lexan shield to fit inside the ring. That would keep junk from getting inside the wheel. Hmmm.... I'm gonna have to look at a set and see what I can come up with!
Stay tuned........
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When I was running these with the star outer ring I put in lexan shields and they worked just fine to keep the dirt and debris out."thumbsup"
 
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