RANOVRU
Quarry Creeper
So we are what, a socialcapitist country?? Money = help may be a socialist notion, but its certainly carrying over to the money = everything capitalist notion.
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It's about F-ing time
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So we are what, a socialcapitist country?? Money = help may be a socialist notion, but its certainly carrying over to the money = everything capitalist notion.
JeremyH
I wanna be Dave
The same could be said for my "hypocritical" comment....but apparently, sarcasm is difficult to detect in written word. (note, that was sarcastic :lol: )
RANOVRU
Quarry Creeper
We have much bigger problems. There is a fox in the hen house. We as Americans voted him in. ( i did not )
We are the infidel. Be proud of it.
Sorry for the Hi jack of the thread.
Evan
You're an idiot.
No. If someone who practices certain health degrading behavior feels they need government assistance, they need to show that they are working to correct that situation. They shouldn't get paid to get stoned, drunk, fat, or pregnant.
Say I come to you and ask you to give me (not loan, just give) money to live on because I can't work. You agree to pay for my food, housing, and health insurance.
Meanwhile, instead of doing what I can to make this arrangement as short as possible, I'm sitting back, just doing the same things I was doing before you started paying my way through life. I'm still getting drunk, stoned, pregnant, etc. WTF do I care? You're paying my bills. I win.
How long would you be willing to pay me? Say you find out I'm a crackhead...would you cut me off? Would you insist I get some kind of treatment if I want to continue getting money?
There has to be an element of ethics with either form of society. A highly ethical socialist society is just as good as a highly ethical capitalist society. Problem is, ethics gets put on the backburner when money or power come into play.
This little recession we're in is the direct result of a non-ethical capitalist society. Its not because of democrats or liberals or socialists or marxists, its because of greedy people who had an open capitalist window of opportunity to make loads of money. And they got it too...for the most part, free and clean and perfectly legal.
I'd be assassinated before I could get sworn in. :ror:
RANOVRU
Quarry Creeper
True charity doesnt come with stipulations.
So what is this then...this, "welfare"? Maybe the people who want assistance should be made to work for it plain & simple. I have trouble believing that as big as the fed govt is, it couldnt find something for them to do. Lets say, based on there job experience or education level. They dont want to work an 8 hr day then they dont get assistance.
Given that scenario, we've moved from "charity" to "employment" even if temporary. Govt gets cheap labor and people can maintain while trying to better themselves. Who cares what they do with the money if theyre working for it. At this point their not receiving "charity" or something for free, remember they are employed.
What purpose then would there be for a "drug test"? The "addicts", as you would reffer to them, wouldnt show up to the first day, thus weeding themselves out naturally. In fact, most would scare off as soon as someone mentioned wor.........
Government assistance is not charity. Its assistance.
You just answered your own question. Those that aren't willing to better themselves will most likely not bother to show up and apply, meaning our tax dollars won't pay for their lifestyles. However, there are those that would put in the effort to clean up, get healthy, and get back on their feet.
And yeah, you could set up a work program, and it wouldn't even have to be a full time gig. There are lots of city, county, state, and federal type property that could benefit from inexpensive general labor.
I disagree with you, the collapse of the real estate market was greatly caused by liberal 'rights' groups pressuring lenders to give loans to individuals who had horrible credit or were on some form of gov't assistance because it was 'unfair' to them to be disallowed to get a loan for a house.
BEELZEBOB
I wanna be Dave
Its all the liberals fault.
I mean, our country was no where near in Debt when Obama was elected.
And all them liberal Right groups have so much swey over the largest financial institutions in the country.
I cant even participate in threads like this.
Too many opinions stated as if they were facts, that have nothing to do w/ the original topic.
I mean, our country was no where near in Debt when Obama was elected.
And all them liberal Right groups have so much swey over the largest financial institutions in the country.
I cant even participate in threads like this.
Too many opinions stated as if they were facts, that have nothing to do w/ the original topic.
CREEPERBOB
Yashua
fallensk8man89
Rock Stacker
this is the most genius thing ive ever read 100%. will u please take obamas place?
fallensk8man89
Rock Stacker
and then i find the dumbest think ive ever read
JeremyH
I wanna be Dave
BEELZEBOB
I wanna be Dave
Not to be a dick, but:
Isn't that exactly what you described above?
Ah man.
Jeremy, you sir, are good people.:mrgreen:
Jeepkid
I wanna be Dave
I believe that not everyone is going to see eachothers point or rant. I have seen some ppl on welfare here and they get alot of asistance. I'll tell you all the story, because its a good one.
Okay, so I was at a gas station pumping gas. A guy rolls in with a 1984 Olds Cutty. Candy paint, 24" wheels, hes wearing a LOUD leather Lakers coat. I go up to him and say nice car man, how much that paint cost you. He goes, " A kid". I'm like "What?". He goes" Yeah, I got my wheels with my last kid, so I wanted to get her painted. Talked to my girl and deside to have another kid, so I could get the car painted."
How do you guys like that. His paint cost a kid. If you ask me thats fu(ked up. Also to add, he smelt like weed. I'm sure he deals drugs too. Lots of guys in this area deal and get welfare. Its a revolving door for them too. I've seen guys I know go to jail for dealing and were on welfare. As soon as they get out, back at it. Still on welfare and still dealing. Yet there is no way we can stop.
Okay, so I was at a gas station pumping gas. A guy rolls in with a 1984 Olds Cutty. Candy paint, 24" wheels, hes wearing a LOUD leather Lakers coat. I go up to him and say nice car man, how much that paint cost you. He goes, " A kid". I'm like "What?". He goes" Yeah, I got my wheels with my last kid, so I wanted to get her painted. Talked to my girl and deside to have another kid, so I could get the car painted."
How do you guys like that. His paint cost a kid. If you ask me thats fu(ked up. Also to add, he smelt like weed. I'm sure he deals drugs too. Lots of guys in this area deal and get welfare. Its a revolving door for them too. I've seen guys I know go to jail for dealing and were on welfare. As soon as they get out, back at it. Still on welfare and still dealing. Yet there is no way we can stop.
RANOVRU
Quarry Creeper
No I just reiterated the same point Ive been making all along; there are better ways to qualify someone for "assistance" than meddling in their personal lives i.e. testing.
And I dissagree on the underlined. It will simply turn them to crime and violence, period.
That was part of it, sure. But there is more to it than that...
As easy and apparantly as fun as it is to offload all of this nations problems on the liberals, that bubble was building for a long time. Many people had many opportunities to stop it, but didn't. You know why? Somebody figured out a way to make a buck off of it. And most of them succeeded.
99% of the time, when there is some major problem in this country, all you have to do is follow the money to see who is to blame. Sure, the liberals may be the ones pushing the agenda and being public about it, but rest assured there are those who see it as an opportunity to funnel cash their way, so they quietly stand by and let it happen. Thats why the market crashed, thats why our border is still unsecure, thats why our healthcare costs are stupid high, etc etc. Follow the money, ignore what the talking heads on tv and radio tell you.
Your personal life ceases to be personal when someone else is footing the bill. You never really answered the question I gave you earlier...would you give me money to sit around, get stoned, eat cheese burgers, pop three or four kids out, and not really show any ambition towards getting back on my feet?
Would crime go up? Possibly. Can't deny that one. But over time those kinds of people would most likely start to diminish. Healthy, educated people are much less likely to turn to a life of crime.
Mr.Slave
Quarry Creeper
Jeepkid
I wanna be Dave
For real! No one has anything to say about the super fu(ked up true story I told?
