New cheap way to get more flex

[crawling-wallz]

here is a new way that i found that you could get more flex out of your honcho or scx10. Great thing is you spend 0 dollars "thumbsup". First thing you wanna do is take your front shocks off, and remove the springs. Remount them, then lower the shocks by mounting them lower on the post that you mount the body posts See pics for reference). Add some weight like a wheel in the back to help get that flex in the front. keep the rear completely stock with stock springs, because the back will do its job the way its suppost to. I found this helped me out alot because with more flex i could get through more tight spots without flipping over. Good thing is that by re positioning the front shocks, when the truck sits it sits at exactly the stock ride height and it doesnt sit more higher in the front or more lower. Now on to the pictures

Some closer flex on the left side

Now onto some major flex here, before this i would always flip here, but now i cant

here is how the front shocks are mounted.

Here is the back, like i said completely stock in the back

PLEASE LET ME KNOW if you guys got a chance to test this out on the rocks. Some feed back would also be great

 

[Bigpopa]

That will only work with a droop setup so it depends on what setup you are using ....

 

[canadianbacon]

More flex isn't everything with crawling, 9/10 times the additional flex will get you into more trouble then help you.

 

[crawling-wallz]

well this is more flex which is what most newbies are looking for. But i dont call this taking it to far. To me it is just enough. I compete with this crawler when i have my 2.2 rims and tires. I gotta tell you that sometimes i need more flex but not taking it to the extreme. I took it to the extreme with flexing, and it didnt work at all, i could even climb up. But now its just enough IMO

 

[Nitrofreakmanho]

There's no crawling comps where I live, so winning a competition is irrelevant for the time being, and I too like flex, because it looks cool ( but I'm a newb, so what do I know:lmao: ) but I also want my rig to perform well on trails.

So with this mod, you're finding that you tip over less ? If that's the case, I'm willing to give it a whirl.

 

[Rivas Concepts]

On flat ground I could see that maybe helping you, but how does that work on a climb? Dont the front wheels just want to fully extend those front shocks, wanting to flip it over backwards? Just wondering...

 

[VintageCopal]

More flex isn't everything with crawling, 9/10 times the additional flex will get you into more trouble then help you.

I disagree. I'm sorry, but having flex is sooo much better. It helps you with those V rocks and tight spaces. As long as you have weights in the wheels you're good to go. Im just a guy that likes a lot of flex which you can see by this picture...

see how my tire is still touching the ground? thats how you crawl....

 

[CrawlTh!s]

I like the front droop setup you have going on there, I tried to run something similar at one point but couldn't control the torque twist enough for my liking.

I do believe flex is a good thing, when used under control. I took my stock SCX10 Honcho and worked with my suspension to get max flex out of it, 6 inches or so tire lift. Then I slowly backed my flex back down to a level that was stable in off chamber situations etc. It took a couple months to get to where I am at now, but it was so worth it. I am still fine tuning it and trying to lower my COG a little more, but all and all the little truck crawls where ever I want it to go! That's just my 2 cents 8)

 

[crawling-wallz]

thanks guys. As for hill climbs i did try it. Here are the results. In hill climbs the front end stays completely down at the stock ride height. That is because i have weight in the front to keep it down. But then through rocks the front end drops down and i can get grip, and with this much flex the wheels go where they should go and i can get grip. Im keeping this set up. And vintage corporal i have the same thing as you except the stock scx10 shocks are not long, so you have to mount them lower like i did. I will be taking it through some big rocks tomorrow and ill take some pics hopefully and let you guys know how it went down

 

[Rivas Concepts]

This climb is with titus wheels loaded with weights and normal weight in front (battery, winch, metal stinger, etc.) and I barely make it. I was just thinking with your set up the climb would extend your shocks and roll you over.

 

[crawling-wallz]

i dont think it will flip over. Like i said all my weight is distributed to the front. If my weight was in the back then yes i would flip over for sure

 

[DOPE]

the flex looks good!

 

[2500hdon37s]

I disagree. I'm sorry, but having flex is sooo much better. It helps you with those V rocks and tight spaces. Im just a guy that likes a lot of flex which you can see by this picture...

see how my tire is still touching the ground? thats how you crawl....

wait till you drop a tire in a hole and flip "thumbsup"

a rig will also want to twst up in its self in a situation when "dropping" a tire.


when will noobs learn that more flex is NOT better?!:roll:

 

[crawling-wallz]

wait till you drop a tire in a hole and flip "thumbsup"

a rig will also want to twst up in its self in a situation when "dropping" a tire.


when will noobs learn that more flex is NOT better?!:roll:

thats nothing new, i have had that happen with springs and stock setup. At the crawling course, when a tire doesnt fall where it should to get more balance i flip. Now i at least have the change to recover with out gainging points through the gates everytime i flip

 

[TexasSP]

There is a reason you will never find a comp built scaler with that much articulation, because it does way more harm than the minute amount of good.

Having a suspension that articulates and cycles correctly is the key, not more articulation. This has been proven time and time again, you won't even do this with comp crawlers.

 

[VintageCopal]

wait till you drop a tire in a hole and flip "thumbsup"

a rig will also want to twst up in its self in a situation when "dropping" a tire.


when will noobs learn that more flex is NOT better?!:roll:

hey, when will you learn that flex is better. It's more TRACTION TO THE GROUND. and i said if you READ my comment, put weights in the wheels. I probably a flipped a total of 3 or 4 times while i was there. And i was there for a good hour or so.

When you have no flex you wheel isn't touching the ground and your crawler will be 6 inches off the ground before you know it, then you will flip.

And dont you love how everyone agrees with me..... Ironic aint it

And yeah i have to agree with Texas, you wont see that in a comp. I dont plan on going in comps anyways... I crawl for the fun of it!

 

[MoonyJohn]

Just from personal experience with flex, I had my stock scx10 tr and I was flopping everywhere I was going.. I maybe rolled 20-30 times in a day. I went home, got some of my stock ax-10 shocks just in front and it changed the whole performance of my rig. They arent nearly as long as vintages, but they are maybe no longer than 100mm (I dont know the exact measurements of stock ax10 shocks, anyone care to chime in?). Heres my setup and it seems to do pretty good so far.

So what Im getting at.. some flex is good. Too much flex can get out of hand. Vintage (my brother), his flex is just too much for my style, its not "scale" looking but thats just my preference. I built that honcho and gave it to him, and he seems to love the flex. But, the front end of that rig is weighted down a bit.

ANYWAYS, you get my point.

 

[VintageCopal]

Yeah i do have to admit, i have a little too much flex, but i like it. It looks good and it helps... I also dont plan to hill Climb. I'm guy who does what i do in the picture...."thumbsup" I dont wanna get into a fight about this so i honestly dont care what anyone else does, i just like the way my setup is....

 

[traxxas4fun]

hey, when will you learn that flex is better. It's more TRACTION TO THE GROUND. and i said if you READ my comment, put weights in the wheels. I probably a flipped a total of 3 or 4 times while i was there. And i was there for a good hour or so.

When you have no flex you wheel isn't touching the ground and your crawler will be 6 inches off the ground before you know it, then you will flip.

And dont you love how everyone agrees with me..... Ironic aint it

And yeah i have to agree with Texas, you wont see that in a comp. I dont plan on going in comps anyways... I crawl for the fun of it!

for your sake, i advise you not to argue with the knowledgable members on here. They DO know what they are talking about and TOO MUCH FLEX IS BAD!

 

[66sprint6]

Too much flex is bad, sorry buddy. Whats too much is up to you, your personal drivin style and the terrain you cross paths with most. I like to be able to take on anything I run into so too much can hurt me. Its not always the flex part either, I used to run droop all the way around and it would flex like a mofo but wouldnt climb. Now with stock in the rear and AX10s semi-drooped with some internal springs itll crawl like mad and climb like a danged monkey...best of both worlds! I limited the flex, yes, no more flexing a 6" cup but now I crawl better than before, climb better than before and have more fun than ever before. Tune it to what you want, but dont say your way is the RIGHT way, especially when it differs from alot of the guys on here with way more experience. Some of the guys on here could take a box stock Honcho RTR and crawl all over both of our rigs :shock:

Have fun!

Matt